For those that WANT Rafa gone.

[Skillz]

The point would be, we'd win.

Only with the serious backing of someone like DIC, then again so would Rafa.

[Imy]

Pile of **** ?

If I've got the courage I can trawl this site in order to find an earlier quote where you've said the contrary.

Our Goalkeeper, central defenders, central midfielders and one wide midfielder (Babel) maybe Beni too and striker (Torres) are fine.

ALL the other positions in my opinion are up for grabs, so thats 3 fullbacks (Arbeloa can cover), 3 wide midfielder and 3 strikers - 9 Players in total lacking the premiership winning quality.

Can't see us changing that many players any time soon though.

[Guest]

"So what" ? Is that the best we can do? Dear me.


It's not easy. It should be easy to finish 4th without any remote struggle. And it should be easy to hammer Havant, beat Barnsley and win at Luton...

You must have some seriously low standards.

No, it's just a game to me at the end of the day. That's why.

[Craig_H]

This club is a joke anyway. From the bottom up to it's supporters.

When supporters go around saying 'so what' and some of the gems you've produced lately, then i'd agree that it's a joke.

[Frank Leroux]

He's been successful before using his methods. I don't know why he'd change. If you started being a little more patient for a start.

fredo, I think this is why we diverge in our opinions on the manger. Your statement above would indicate to me that you don't think there is a (marked) difference in how la Liga is won as compared to the PL.

Now, both yourself and Benitez might well be correct in that thinking but I really don't think so. The rotation/board/'quality of players'-stuff are important, but nonetheless side issues for me. The crux is Benitez's footballing philosophy has (*almost) never won the PL.

*You could argue that Chelsea's second title was won using similar football to us.

[Joe King]

No, it's just a game to me at the end of the day. That's why.

So get off this forum then. We talking about this 'game' as part of our life, its a passion. If its just a game, then it explains your crap posts.

[JCase]

So what ?

Is it as easy to win the title ?

You're all like spoilt kids.

How so? By having high expectations of our club, 18 times Leagues winners? No one said winning the league would be easy, but surely with the outlay of money in the last 5-7 years under Houllier & then Rafa, we should be at least challenging and be out of it by Dec or Jan. All there is between us and Arse / Scum, is clear blue ocean.

How long should fans be patient. If we played well and lost it is one thing. Our fundamental mentality approaching games is wrong. Set up shop, stop opponents fron playing, control, do not concede, drawing is ok, well chuffed if we nick a win.

I shuddrer where we would be in the league standings if Torres and Gerrard did not chip in with the goals they have.

Bottom line is we should not be right out of the title race at this point in time and struggling to finish 4th.

[Frank Leroux]

Our Goalkeeper, central defenders, central midfielders and one wide midfielder (Babel) maybe Beni too and striker (Torres) are fine.

ALL the other positions in my opinion are up for grabs, so thats 3 fullbacks (Arbeloa can cover), 3 wide midfielder and 3 strikers - 9 Players in total lacking the premiership winning quality.

Can't see us changing that many players any time soon though.

Frodo,

Honest questions - with those 9 extra players do you think 1) Benitez would use them correctly and 2) that the players would be so good that the first question wouldn't matter?

[Guest]

So get off this forum then. We talking about this 'game' as part of our life, its a passion. If its just a game, then it explains your crap posts.

Crap post or not, it's my opinion and no knobhead such as you won't make me think differently.

[Craig_H]

Only with the serious backing of someone like DIC, then again so would Rafa.

I dont think he would though skillz, that's the point.

As things stand, rafa changes the team and system to the point where it's detrimental. As things stand, he plays players out of position and makes subs in a strict, rigid, machine-like manner. No changes are ever made at HT, whether they need to be or not. Babel is routinely replaced on 70 mins, regardless of how the game is going or how he is playing. Someone actually (jokingly) called the Babel sub before the game and said it'd happen on 70 mins. Everyone had a chuckle. Then, about 85 mins later, when it actually happened, everyone was staggered.

Serious backing just means he'd be playing more expensive players out of position. He believes in his (bizarre) methods beyond reasonable logic and no amount of backing would change that.

Much of the problems we (and Rafa) have are self made.

[Craig_H]

Sorry for the aggressiveness.

Anyway, I'm sick of it all. LFC isn't high on my agenda atm and I couldn't care much.

I'll leave this discussion.

Crap post or not, it's my opinion and no knobhead such as you won't make me think differently.

Classic stuff mate.

To be fair to him, he had a point. To most of us, it's a majorly important passion in our lives. We cant just think 'so what' and stop caring.

[Guest]

Classic stuff mate.

To be fair to him, he had a point. To most of us, it's a majorly important passion in our lives. We cant just think 'so what' and stop caring.

No but it helps to put things in perspective instead of over analyzing football matches.

It takes time to build a system in a club like ours. 3 and a half years is simply not enough when you look at the quality opposition we have.

He should be given the chance to see the youngsters he's brought in (and who are doing really well for the reserves) achieve something in the first team.

[Imy]

Frodo,

Honest questions - with those 9 extra players do you think 1) Benitez would use them correctly and 2) that the players would be so good that the first question wouldn't matter?

b)

[AFII]

But if 10-15 of them have lost faith in him (and i wouldnt blame them, given his atrocious man-management skills), you'd have to sell half the squad. That'd be ridiculous.

They would have to go even if we would get in a new manager because they would be able to do the same to him so the ones that have turned against Rafa should be sold even if Rafa isn't our manager next season.

I want those players sold and give Rafa another chance.

If Rafa would be sacked then Thomas Schaaf would be my choice to replace him.

[Craig_H]

No but it helps to put things in perspective instead of over analyzing football matches.

It takes time to build a system in a club like ours. 3 and a half years is simply not enough when you look at the quality opposition we have.

He should be given the chance to see the youngsters he's brought in (and who are doing really well for the reserves) achieve something in the first team.

3 and a half years are easily good enough to not have to struggle for 4th and certainly enough to be beating Barnsley et all.