The 'where are they now?' files

[Doc_Piptorious]

Tell me what's wrong with saying POC.

Think it might be a country thing mate.

In Ireland and the UK, person of colour is seen as very much an archaic term and can be viewed as being quite offensive.


In Australia afaik it is not viewed the same way (think the US may be the same in some states also) and is a , again afaik, a more commonly used term there.

[Fosterbloke]

Think it might be a country thing mate.

In Ireland and the UK, person of colour is seen as very much an archaic term and can be viewed as being quite offensive.


In Australia afaik it is not viewed the same way (think the US may be the same in some states also).

Ah didn't know that. I grew up with Jim Davidson on the TV (darkie etc) which I ****ing hate, and most of my professional communities are US based so it's a commonly used identifier.

Thanks for highlighting that to me.

[Shaggy]

'Person/people of colour' (POC) is acceptable and widely used in the UK. It's 'coloured' that is outdated.

https://www.theantiracisteducator.com/person-of-colour

[Doc_Piptorious]

'Person/people of colour' (POC) is acceptable and widely used in the UK. It's 'coloured' that is outdated.

https://www.theantiracisteducator.com/person-of-colour

Fair enough. Friend of mine in Liverpool (Pakistani background) has always said to me he and his family find it (or the term coloured) offensive and they prefer the term brown if colour has to be used.


Think it boils down to what a person or persons find offensive though and is something that people will accept being said in good faith but would then take offence if it was said again to them by the same person after they explained they found it offensive. Least that's how it was put to me.

[Tribute]

Fair enough. Friend of mine in Liverpool (Pakistani background) has always said to me he and his family find it (or the term coloured) offensive and they prefer the term brown if colour has to be used.


Think it boils down to what a person or persons find offensive though and is something that people will accept being said in good faith but would then take offence if it was said again to them by the same person after they explained they found it offensive. Least that's how it was put to me.

...it's the '-ed' bit that's perceived as outdated. Person or people of colour is used widely by mainstream media both here and internationally, whereas the term coloured is seen as a 70's hangover term and more likely to be seen as offensive. Nuance, I guess.

[Paul12]

...it's the '-ed' bit that's perceived as outdated. Person or people of colour is used widely by mainstream media both here and internationally, whereas the term coloured is seen as a 70's hangover term and more likely to be seen as offensive. Nuance, I guess.

I agree the "-ed" bit is a complete no no, but PoC is a marmite term. In some countries - and the US seems to be one - it is widely used and accepted (two different things) but in others - including the UK nowadays - it has a bit of a smell and is perhaps best avoided.

I used to hate calling a person 'a black person' because only their skin was dark, not their heart. I wanted to use black-skinned person but my Black friends tell me they hate that and that they much prefer Black with a capital because then it is not a literal description.

Complex and nuanced, but it is really good that we feel able to talk about race.

[Shaggy]

The capitalisation of 'Black' is something I learned about recently too.

[spud_gun]

So no one else see the similarities in playing style between Sakho and Konate?

[Shaggy]

So no one else see the similarities in playing style between Sakho and Konate?

I do a little bit - just a rough around the edges thing on the ball. Neither are exactly poetry in motion. I liked Sakho, but Konate looks much better. I think Ibou can iron out those rough edges whereas with Sakho it was just innate.

[rudedog]

So no one else see the similarities in playing style between Sakho and Konate?

I know exactly what you mean, they both seem to do a bit of a staccato/off-balance shuffle trying to get their feet sorted out.

[spud_gun]

I do a little bit - just a rough around the edges thing on the ball. Neither are exactly poetry in motion. I liked Sakho, but Konate looks much better. I think Ibou can iron out those rough edges whereas with Sakho it was just innate.

I know exactly what you mean, they both seem to do a bit of a staccato/off-balance shuffle trying to get their feet sorted out.

That's it exactly.

Can of worms that appears to have been opened up above was entirely unintentional.

[frank the tank]

I do a little bit - just a rough around the edges thing on the ball. Neither are exactly poetry in motion. I liked Sakho, but Konate looks much better. I think Ibou can iron out those rough edges whereas with Sakho it was just innate.

agree with this


Sakho's haircuts were ****in stupid as well...... Konate is a million times better in this respect and as such, I take much more seriously as a footballer.

It's the last piece in the jigsaw that Trent needs to sort out to be truly world-class

[Paul12]

I know exactly what you mean, they both seem to do a bit of a staccato/off-balance shuffle trying to get their feet sorted out.

Sakho was Champons League winning Traore-like in terms of his feet shuffle; Konate us closer to George Best than Sakho.

[Zapater]

I rate Sakho and his enterprising passing. I don't really care that his technique was somewhat unorthodox, he was very good and made very few mistakes. I don't think his mistake was pissing off Klopp, it was joining Crystal Palace and Woy. If he left us for a more competitive team, I'm sure his career could have taken a much better trajectory.

I don't get the comparison with Konate stylistically, especially as the they have opposite dominant feet. They are both quick, physically strong and good with the ball though. Konate is more orthodox to me but Sakho (with us) showed quite penetrative passing. I think Konate is better though and will still improve a lot.

Also, I'm not sure but does Konate always wear gloves indoors and throughout the summer too? Some of the fashion from France is quite out there.

Think it might be a country thing mate.

In Ireland and the UK, person of colour is seen as very much an archaic term and can be viewed as being quite offensive.


In Australia afaik it is not viewed the same way (think the US may be the same in some states also) and is a , again afaik, a more commonly used term there.

I was oblivious to this, in South Africa it's seen as a more enlightened/sensitive way to put it.

[Buzzo]

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