Aliadiere loses appeal for his Mascher bitch slap....

[homer1]

'Raising your hands' isn't a red card offence - there's no such offence in the rules actually. If the ref gave a red card, then it must have been for one of the very few circumstances in which red cards are given - of which violent conduct is one. The others couldn't apply in this situation, so by definition he was sent off for violent conduct.

& rightly so, nearly took poor Javier's head off

[Craig_H]

'Raising your hands' isn't a red card offence - there's no such offence in the rules actually. If the ref gave a red card, then it must have been for one of the very few circumstances in which red cards are given - of which violent conduct is one. The others couldn't apply in this situation, so by definition he was sent off for violent conduct.

Everyone always says 'you raise your hand to an opponent, you get sent off' so maybe every pundit, manager, coach and player doesnt know the rules too...

As for violent conduct, that wasnt remotely violent.

[The Red Cardinal]

Everyone always says 'you raise your hand to an opponent, you get sent off' so maybe every pundit, manager, coach and player doesnt know the rules too...

As for violent conduct, that wasnt remotely violent.

Sorry DJS I wasn't disagreeing with you. It certainly wasn't 'violent' as you and I would seem to interpret the word. I was just saying for him to be sent off, it must have been for the offence of 'violent conduct' as the rules only allow red cards in certain circumstances - and they are (if I remember them) violent conduct (typcially 'off the ball'), serious foul play (on the ball ie dangerous tackles a la Eduardo/Taylor), spitting, denying a goal scoring opportunity, foul and abusive language or 2 yellow cards.

While everybody does say the 'raise your hands' bit it's only as a form of violent conduct - there is no distinction.

[Craig_H]

That's fair enough mate. In terms of levels of 'violence', both offences were on a par IMO.

[BFG]

Everyone always says 'you raise your hand to an opponent, you get sent off' so maybe every pundit, manager, coach and player doesnt know the rules too...

As for violent conduct, that wasnt remotely violent.

You're taking what they say too literally mate, they mean it as raising your hands in a violent manner.

As already said raising your hands isn't an offence. Violent conduct is.

[Craig_H]

You're taking what they say too literally mate, they mean it as raising your hands in a violent manner.

As already said raising your hands isn't an offence. Violent conduct is.

Ok fair enough. What JA did wasnt violent though.

[Rich]

I'm with Syd on this what Aliadiere did wasn't violent in any way whatsoever.

The Ref should have had a word with them to stop the handbags and carry on.

[BFG]

Ok fair enough. What JA did wasnt violent though.

Agreed.

The red is a joke mate, a yellow at the most but a telling off for both of them would have been most appropriate action.

[lfcchris]

Funny as **** though. Just shows the faggots playing the game today. What's up with a good punch. We wouldnt be arguing about whether it was violent conduct!!!!

That innocent face mascher puts on is priceless though!!!!!!

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/page/liverpoolvideo/

[Scratch]

That's fair enough mate. In terms of levels of 'violence', both offences were on a par IMO.

Not really...the difference between getting your cheeks pinched "granny style" and having someone bitch slap you is obvious. One is mischievous, the other is not. Doesn't matter how great the contact, the minute you swing an arm at an opponent, even if you miss, it is seen as violent conduct. JA knows this, Boro know this...so why appeal?

Put it this way, if it had been the other way round, i'd have been calling JA a cheeky bugger, but i'd have been furious at Mascher for falling for it and striking out. And the red card would have been justified for Mascher in that case.

[Craig_H]

Agreed.

The red is a joke mate, a yellow at the most but a telling off for both of them would have been most appropriate action.

Yes, agree fully. It was embarrassingly petulant on both their parts and the ref was a bit of a divvy.

[lfcchris]

Yes, agree fully. It was embarrassingly petulant on both their parts and the ref was a bit of a divvy.

A bit

[Red_hot]

Who cares. It was funny, Masher is boss and I chuckled.

[Craig_H]

Wouldnt have been funny if he'd been sent off though.

[disco]

Neither of them deserved cards, but the girlie bitch slap was far worse than what Masher did.