Moscow

[enema of the state]

Nope - the reason I'm not going if it's the Mancs is that it's over £1000 in the year that my firstborn will be, er, born, weighed up against the fact that it will probably be a nightmare. I do think there will be trouble if we get the Mancs, and don't fancy paying all that money to be dodging my way around the city.

like i said, the only bashing visiting fans will take will be in the wallet

i live in glasgow - its £320 to fly via amsterdam

You almost seem to be glorying in the amount of violence and death that you've witnessed at football matches in the past in this thread. Personally, I find that sad.

bad bad choice of word. theres no "glory" in what happened back then but there is a thing or to to be learned and a perspective to be gained.

theres lots of sad things about those experiences. nothing could be sadder than the sneering wilful misinterpretation inherent in the last sentence above

You also used some nice quoting out of context to try and make me out make out as some naive newbie to the game. I notice you didn't quote the bit where I said "You are right that things are not as bad as they were in the 70s and 80s, but they are certainly much much worse than they were in the 90s." That sentence would have completely changed the context of most of your replies

sorry my post made you feel that way. my interpretation of you post was not that you are a naive newbie but that you share a perspective common to many people who probably really got into football in the post hillsborough era.
you think athens was "dangerous". thats probably a good thing. the **** that went on in the past is best left there but if athens has made fans too scared to go to an lfc v scum champions league final then the changed perspective of the post hillsborough fan aint ALL good.

Whatever your previous experiences though, I can't believe your take on Athens. I'm not on about fighting between fans, I'm on about dangerous overcrowding, crap treatment, tear-gassing and baton charging of fans by the police etc. If you think that Athens was like going to Butlins, then your experience was certainly different to mine, and everyone else that I went to the game with or spoke about it afterwards with. It is the second worst game I've been to

I made a comparative simile - not to be taken literally. I doubt you saw anything dramatically worse than I did but who knows? I saw ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in athens that would stop me going to the biggest club game of all time

[Red Star]

Just checked Skyscanner and the cheapest is £221 from London with one connection each way.

[anfieldanfield]

Around £250-300 from Manchester.

[enema of the state]

Just checked Skyscanner and the cheapest is £221 from London with one connection each way.

If its lfc v fenerbache after next tue then I think I'm gonna go for it. Its not gonna be cheap in any event .

[calvoboy]

bad bad choice of word. theres no "glory" in what happened back then but there is a thing or to to be learned and a perspective to be gained.

theres lots of sad things about those experiences. nothing could be sadder than the sneering wilful misinterpretation inherent in the last sentence above

Nothing wilful - it's just that the way that you put a laughing smiley after saying you know someone who still has the scar from having stitches in 1977 suggested that you weren't entirely sad to see those days go. Glad you've cleared that up, as to me there's nothing worse than people who look back with rose tinted glasses on those days.

And just so you know exactly where I am coming from, I am a pre-Hillsborough (and Heysel for that matter) fan, who was at hillsborough (though not Heysel - but my mates were), and who thinks that the bad old days of the 70s and 80s are best left where they were. I hate the way that fans are ripped off these days, but if we are going to be fleeced and treated like ****, then I don't think a tiny amount of basic organisation from UEFA (such as turnstiles) is too much to ask for.

My decision not to go to Moscow is not about fear, it's just that I think there will be nothing but problems there (either through actual trouble between fans, or being herded from place to place by overzealous police due to the threat of trouble) and I don't want to pay £1000 (all-in) for that sort of trouble again. That would pay for my season ticket next year, and maybe even the semi in Istanbul if us and Fenerbache do the job in the second leg.

[Red Star]

Yeah, the price of the match ticket will be too much for me as it would be off a tout. Can't see all 6 homes qualifying this year. All seasies will take the allocation up.

[anfieldanfield]

If its lfc v fenerbache after next tue then I think I'm gonna go for it. Its not gonna be cheap in any event .

If it's LFC - Fene I will 100% book the flights.

But, I just cant see that happening. I think Chelsea will stuff them back at Stamford Bridge.

[anfieldanfield]

Yeah, the price of the match ticket will be too much for me as it would be off a tout. Can't see all 6 homes qualifying this year. All seasies will take the allocation up.

Seriously ?!

I'm ****ed then.

[enema of the state]

Yeah, the price of the match ticket will be too much for me as it would be off a tout. Can't see all 6 homes qualifying this year. All seasies will take the allocation up.

dont reckon mate - therell be tickets enough simply because of the cost.

I think ther would be a seriously good hardcore there and a brilliant atmosphere

[enema of the state]

[B]Nothing wilful - it's just that the way that you put a laughing smiley after saying you know someone who still has the scar from having stitches in 1977 suggested that you weren't entirely sad to see those days go.[/B] Glad you've cleared that up, as to me there's nothing worse than people who look back with rose tinted glasses on those days.

And just so you know exactly where I am coming from, I am a pre-Hillsborough (and Heysel for that matter) fan, who was at hillsborough (though not Heysel - but my mates were), and who thinks that the bad old days of the 70s and 80s are best left where they were. I hate the way that fans are ripped off these days, but if we are going to be fleeced and treated like ****, then I don't think a tiny amount of basic organisation from UEFA (such as turnstiles) is too much to ask for.

My decision not to go to Moscow is not about fear, it's just that I think there will be nothing but problems there (either through actual trouble between fans, or being herded from place to place by overzealous police due to the threat of trouble) and I don't want to pay £1000 (all-in) for that sort of trouble again. That would pay for my season ticket next year, and maybe even the semi in Istanbul if us and Fenerbache do the job in the second leg.

[anfieldanfield]

21,000 tickets per club for the final, 69,000 capacity according to UEFA.com.

If we reach the final and get the mancs a **** load (women, children, old fellas) wont fancy it so I think 6 home games on the fancard will be ok.

Otherwise it's touch and go.

[Red Star]

21,000 allocation from UEFA. We have 26,000 seasies...how many will have ticked the Auto Cup box?

After the furore last year I can see the club going to seasies first. Anything left for FC holders with all 6 to scrap over.

[calvoboy]

[anfieldanfield]

21,000 allocation from UEFA. We have 26,000 seasies...how many will have ticked the Auto Cup box?

After the furore last year I can see the club going to seasies first. Anything left for FC holders with all 6 to scrap over.

You're probably right.

[The Glove]

I think there will be a sale to fancard holders with all 6 games. There wont be many but there will be some.

Not all the games sold out this season and sales of tickets so far have gone down to having all but 1 Euro game on a card.