Kuyt to make the difference?

[ScouseUK]

Wrong.

so we sign bently and you would rather see kuyt there....

goin back to the chealski game in the semi,correct me if iam wrong here but useing the formation raffa played kuyt was supposed to get forward and support the striker,create space for others to run into but he spent more time as a right back than anythink witch inturn every single time the ball was played forward chealskis right back, cause he had no-one to mark could come over and triple up on torres and that happened all night long....

thats just a example,if we wanna use that formation witch is obious cause raffa keeps useing it,to get the best out of it you need to use the right players in the right positions,and kuyt isnt effective in that role.giggs has more pace than kuyt....

iam sry for all the kuyt luvers out there but time and time again last season i found myself standing there with my head in my hands thinking why why why why...

he has had his good moments but he is a striker that cant score goals or a winger that cant cross or beat players to the byeline,but if your happy with the odd good game from him then woot,iam not

[Johnny]

Going by his last 10-15 games of the season i'd actually keep Kuyt but no way should he be a starter for us next season, no ****ing way.
3rd/4th choice striker and maybe the odd stint wide on the right.

You`d keep Kuyt because of his performance in the last 10-15 games but not as a starter.But that`s what impressed you about Kuyt in the last 10-15 games,his stamina and contribution to the team overall.

[Marky]

Aye, he works his balls off but overall he's not good enough to start in a team going for the title. Which after all these years of drivel we should be aiming for, a title challenge that goes beyond Christmas.

[Red_hot]

I can't even be arsed with the Kuyt threads anymore. Sick of people slagging him off. ****ing hell, he's been in the top 3(probably top 2) of most peoples mom on here for months, he's worked twice as hard as any of the rest of the team he steps up for the big games and lets not forget his goal assists for Torres. People need to get a grip and give the bloke a break.

[Neil Young]

I can't even be arsed with the Kuyt threads anymore. Sick of people slagging him off. ****ing hell, he's been in the top 3(probably top 2) of most peoples mom on here for months, he's worked twice as hard as any of the rest of the team he steps up for the big games and lets not forget his goal assists for Torres. People need to get a grip and give the bloke a break.

It's a waste of time. People are entrenched in their polarised positions and these threads just go round and round in circles. I find it a bit annoying when I see people slagging off Rafa for, say, playing Kuyt and not playing Crouch (like their opinions of players are likely to be superior to Rafa's?) but I don't mind that much - people can think what they like and if it makes them feel better to slag off our players well, I don't suppose there's a lot of harm done usually.

Then again I find a lot of football threads a waste of time. Football isn't actually a game of discussion - it's a game.

[Harv]

i cant believe nobody has read the white text in his initial post

[kop-al-74]

i cant believe nobody has read the white text in his initial post

What do you mean?

[Red_hot]

i cant believe nobody has read the white text in his initial post

I get Pete (bobthecharmer) cos I know him of old I just don't get the rest of them, Rage etc.

[Red_hot]

I find it a bit annoying when I see people slagging off Rafa for, say, playing Kuyt and not playing Crouch (like their opinions of players are likely to be superior to Rafa's?)

[Neil Young]

i cant believe nobody has read the white text in his initial post

Tbh you don't have to when you see who wrote a seemingly positive post about Kuyt. Quite apart from "Queen Kuyt" it was never going to be meant seriously because BobtheCharmer isn't known for liking Kuyt which, of course, is entirely his prerogative.

[Shaggy]

Football isn't actually a game of discussion - it's a game.

Best close this forum then!

[Shaggy]

I get Pete (bobthecharmer) cos I know him of old I just don't get the rest of them, Rage etc.

Sorry Sarah but you're Dirk's biggest fanboi - your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Loads of others don't think he's a good enough player - their opinion and they are entitled to it.

If you don't like it then.......*shrugs*

This "like their opinion is likely to be superior to Rafa's" is an extremely lame argument. Nobody is professing their knowledge to be greater than Rafa's - people are merely expressing their opinion. On a discussion forum.

I'd like to see someone go into the Albert, Park, Sandon, Arkles, wherever, after the match, and tell everyone in there who is complaining about Dirk Kuyt to "stop it - your opinion is not valid! "

Most fans don't think he's good enough.

Some do.

*shrugs*

So long as it's not vitriolic and offensive there is absolutely no problem with criticising a player if you don't think he's good enough and it's constructive.

[FatTony]

I don't think Kuyt is a poor player, just average to good. Whilst he adds something through his relentless workrate, a quality right winger would offer us far more than he does.

Of course he's being played out of position, though he has put in some decent performances of late, but this doesn't mean a real winger wouldn't do a better job does it? This is not having a pop at Kuyt for the sake of jumping on the bandwagon, he's just not a winger, I think we must all agree with that, its pretty clear.

[Shaggy]

I don't think Kuyt is a poor player, just average to good. Whilst he adds something through his relentless workrate, a quality right winger would offer us far more than he does.

Of course he's being played out of position, though he has put in some decent performances of late, but this doesn't mean a real winger wouldn't do a better job does it? This is not having a pop at Kuyt for the sake of jumping on the bandwagon, he's just not a winger, I think we must all agree with that, its pretty clear.

I agree Kuyt is no winger - he doesn't have the necessary attributes; no pace, little or no skill, average crossing....but he's by no means playing out of position by any stretch. He played there every week for Utrecht and often plays there for Holland.

"I don't really like to be put in any specific bracket, a right midfielder, right winger, striker or second striker," said Kuyt.

"I've probably got a bit of all these positions within my game. I can play as a striker, a second striker or on the right or on the left. Whatever that may be, I just like to do it my own way.

"But playing on the right is not exactly new to me. I've played there for two years in the Dutch national team and also for a year-and-a-half when I started out at Utrecht. I know what to do out there so it's not like I'm just learning the job.

"In this new role I have to work really hard in both attack and defence. Instead of always looking to get on the end of them I'm now always looking to provide crosses for the other strikers.

"There are still chances for me to score but probably not as many as if I was playing in the centre. I'm quite happy with my performances since I've been out there. I've scored a few goals as well as provided assists and so I feel it's going well.

"I always keep an eye on my assists. As I say, there are just as important to me and I've had quite a few so far. I've laid on a couple lately. I've probably got about five or six assists since I've been out on the right, which isn't a bad tally.

"No matter where I play, I like to work really hard for the team with the same main target of helping us win as many games as possible. That is what it is all about.

[FatTony]

I agree Kuyt is no winger - he doesn't have the necessary attributes; no pace, little or no skill, average crossing....but he's by no means playing out of position by any stretch. He played there every week for Utrecht and often plays there for Holland.

I have to disagree there, whilst he's played on the wing (left for Holland I think), he was an out and out striker for Feyenoord where he established himself. I don't necessarily mean that by playing out of position means that he has no experience of playing there, just that he's being played in a position which isn't linked with his strengths.