The Crow is Staying

[ronanm]

You could sign yoko zuna for free boss, don't mean it's a good signing

Didn't say that boss

[Slim]

Voronin is a forward mate. That means he'd have to oust one of their forward players for a squad place, and he wouldn't

I know, I was just making a point.

Plus I really don't believe he is any worse than Pizzaro. Whether he is worse than Shevchenko these days is even debatable.

[Neil Young]

That whole "argument" about whether Voronin would get into other teams' squads is just dressing up opinion as rational analysis.

Like I said, "repetitive squabbling".

[rage]

who would he listen to? the ones that said tevez instead of torres? the ones who didnt want crouch? the ones who say aguero, villa and arshavin?

you dont see the ful picture mate, none of us do...and yes we get a few calls right but Rafa has budgets, personalities and a whole other set of parameters to think about!

we should never have signed him. he has been given loads of opportunities and still shown nothing.

the names you mention all have strengths to their games, voronin has none.

[rudedog]

Right now the bottom line is if Torres gets injured we are ****ed. So another top quality striker is a must.

Of course thats true but its not answering my question - If keeping Voronin allowed Rafa to get his first choice striker as apposed to his 2nd or 3rd would you still want to get rid of him?

My point being, nobody knows the full picture, what is going on behind the scenes etc.

[friedk]

Why is it that just because Voronin says he is staying, we immediately believe it, but when Pennant or Yossi say they want to stay, we have our doubts?

Rafa decides who stays and who goes, and as with Josemi, Nunez and Morientes, when players he has brought in don't perform, he is quick to get rid of them.

People need to realise that holding on to below average players in the hope that they would somehow become less useless over a time, was a major failing of Houllier's reign, but it is clearly not the case under Benitez.

[Tee]

Of course thats true but its not answering my question - If keeping Voronin allowed Rafa to get his first choice striker as apposed to his 2nd or 3rd would you still want to get rid of him?

My point being, nobody knows the full picture, what is going on behind the scenes etc.

I would still get rid because it would not hinder us getting another striker - far from it, any additional funds would be welcome I am sure.

The bottom line is Voronin just is not good enough IMO so I would let him go. If we were looking for a back-up striker to play 3rd or 4th choice I would seriously consider an older experienced player - maybe someone like Julio Cruz of Inter.

[Slim]

That whole "argument" about whether Voronin would get into other teams' squads is just dressing up opinion as rational analysis.

Like I said, "repetitive squabbling".

Don't take away our repetitive squabbling Neil! It's all we've got.

[Red Chilli]

That whole "argument" about whether Voronin would get into other teams' squads is just dressing up opinion as rational analysis.

Like I said, "repetitive squabbling".

No it isn't

[rage]

Of course thats true but its not answering my question - If keeping Voronin allowed Rafa to get his first choice striker as apposed to his 2nd or 3rd would you still want to get rid of him?

My point being, nobody knows the full picture, what is going on behind the scenes etc.

sometimes if you wait for the full picture before you act you get left behind.

Come on this is simple get rid of voronin and promote nemeth. Rafa has yet to successfully progress a player from the reserves into a regular 1st team player. It's clear Nemeth, Plessis and Insua can potentially do this, it'll be a big boost to the rest of the kids and the fans. I'd rather have these as 3rd or 4th choice. How will doing this instead of keeping pigeon cost us money or prevent rafa from getting his 1st choice striker?

Infact I reckon Nemeth is on far less money than ponytail pigeon. So if we continue your trail of thought the money saved in wages between nemeth and pigeon could be used to offer better personal terms and help secure no1 target.

[Roboklopp]

TBH, my main hope for the Cow this season is that people stop spelling his second name with an "e" in it.

[Red Chilli]

TBH, my main hope for the Cow this season is that people stop spelling his second name with an "e" in it.

The Cowe?

[Roboklopp]

"Veronin"

[johnp]

Verenen

[Neil Young]

The Cow is straying.