Rafa's Last Season?

[Shaggy]

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.

There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

Bravo old chap.

[-V-]

Spot on Greebo

[red g]

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.


There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

post more often please

I was lucky enough to have a few season tickets during the mid-late eighties and would have to agree, when we were awesome and i still watch the 5-0 drubbing of forest on DVD we were fantastic but some of those away games and even at anfield i remember more than a few lucky wins. Oh and that line about rushie being the first line of defence brought back a few memories.

I think you have managed to sum up the majority thoughts on here and would love to see rafa here for many years to come

[Greebo]

I tend not to post too often because generally speaking, i don't see the point. Get me in a pub with a few pints and my opinions will fly thick and fast (well, thicker the more pints I have). Besides, I'm hoping there'll soon be an award for champion lurker and I don't want to spoil my chances.

Anyway, thanks for all the nice comments. I may even try to remember your names...

YNWA

[Clapper]

you can twist my words all you want, i meanwhile can quote u direct from this thread, never have dreamed about being top of the league hey before rafa came along.

No, you can't, but it is clear, that I can see the task which was ahead of Rafa and you can't.
And before you answer, show me the quote.

[rage]

You are completely right. We are currently leading the Premier League, is on to the next rounds of the CL, something we wouldn't dream of before Rafa and Rage is constantly critizising him.

there u go, i'm sure this is what u said clapper, i've put in bold the bit i refer to, might make it my strapline on all my posts if you like?

anyway i'm done with this thread arguing with you over what you think i've said or not without being able to quote me.

just so you can quote me accurately - if we go and win the title under rafa this season i'd be overjoyed if he stays if he fails i want him sacked seeing as though it'll be his 5th season in charge. there can't get any clearer than that on what my opinion is.

[DannyMan2006]

if rafa won the fa cup would it count as a successful season?

Change that to a European Cup and you've got yourself a debate.

However I think most would say that only winning the Premier League would be a success this year. Still, it is very realsitic to say that failure to win the league would still be considered acceptable in the circumstances - It all depends on our end points total and position in comparison to the league winners.

Still, the reason most would not get rid now is really because to start again from scratch now would cost too much. Sacking Rafa would not be to much. But he has quite a large backroom team who would all need paying off and replacing. Then we would need to stump up compensation for our new manager.

Then their is the exodous of some of Rafa's players. Players can sqy what they like but I know Reina, Torres and Arbeloa would leave for certain if he went. If they went I would also expect Alonso to leave. Mascherano is another who credits Rafa and could quit.

Quite a bit of the team to leave there. Still I guess a new manager would welcome the chance to bring in his own players!

[Clapper]

there u go, i'm sure this is what u said clapper, i've put in bold the bit i refer to, might make it my strapline on all my posts if you like?

anyway i'm done with this thread arguing with you over what you think i've said or not without being able to quote me.

just so you can quote me accurately - if we go and win the title under rafa this season i'd be overjoyed if he stays if he fails i want him sacked seeing as though it'll be his 5th season in charge. there can't get any clearer than that on what my opinion is.

Pathetic, you know very well, that I am talking about the CL.

[Clapper]

there u go, i'm sure this is what u said clapper, i've put in bold the bit i refer to, might make it my strapline on all my posts if you like?

anyway i'm done with this thread arguing with you over what you think i've said or not without being able to quote me.

just so you can quote me accurately - if we go and win the title under rafa this season i'd be overjoyed if he stays if he fails i want him sacked seeing as though it'll be his 5th season in charge. there can't get any clearer than that on what my opinion is.

And when do you tell me, if Ferguson should have been sqacked for deliviring way less in his first 5 years than Rafa?

[DannyMan2006]

And when do you tell me, if Ferguson should have been sqacked for deliviring way less in his first 5 years than Rafa?

You should also tell him that in his first 5 seasons Ferguson broke British transfer records with some of his signings and continues to do so, Benitez has until last season been nowhere near those sorts of figures.

Still, comparisons to the early years of Ferguson are foolish, it was a different era then. I can't say it as fact but I would say that the lifetime of a manager in the Premier League has been seriously reduced as of late........ And transfer fees and wages, as well as global business of football has gone through the roof.

[rage]

Pathetic, you know very well, that I am talking about the CL.

so now you resort to name calling after i showed you your very own words as you asked me

and even if i was supposed to interpret your words differently from how you wrote them. how i'm supposed to do that to a very clear sentence that refers to both the league and champions league i'm not quite sure. are u?

oh and even if you were referring to the champions league you're wrong.

selective revisionist nonsense.

[1 True Red]

[QUOTE=rage;1238008]thats fair enough, at least its not support him regardless else you're not a fan bull****.

i didn't resurrect this thread but clearly my views have not changed. i wanted us still in the title race at xmas and clearly we're sitting pretty on top so there is no need to sack rafa at xmas. if we were trailing badly like in all of rafa's previous years then i wanted us to wipe the season clean and start re-building in january. people may disagree with me but again i see it as a perfectly valid opinion to have held at the beginning of the season

i also want him to deliver the title this year or get sacked. whether people agree with my opinion or not it is a valid opinion to hold. rafa is in his 5th season, has been supported better than any previous liverpool manager and without getting into net gross spend crap its about time he delivered.[/QUOTE]


rage mate, how long was fergie in to his utd contract/s before he won the Prem or champions league!

just curious like and a bit

[Skillz]

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.

There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

Congratulations Greebo, that is the single best post I have read anywhere.

[pondus]

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.

There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

I think I love you

Sums up what it is all about.

[Neil Young]

So have we decided yet - is it Rafa's last season or not?