Rafa Discussion Thread

[Red_Polo]

I am scared to talk about Rafa now for fear of a banning. I bet if I was repetitive about my love for Rafa or spoke totally off topic about Rafa's merits as opposed to my issues with him it would also be different. Just a thought RP.

Yes it would be totally different, but then it's not really that surprising that people on a Liverpool site are more enraged by constant, out of place and repetitious negative comments than by positive ones.

To be honest, I don't think the problem is people with differing opinions, but more the anti-Rafa (for want of a better phrase) posts in EVERY thread.

Exactly, it's not the opinions but the way they are expressed. That's borne out by the fact that it's only a problem with a tiny number of Rafa's critics.

i've always thought of myself as pro liverpool, the rafa stuff is secondary. its clear as day that this forum has a bias towards supporting the manager regardless of where he takes us and if anything i am proud of that slant even though i do not share it.

rp can warn myself and others, thats his prerogative, but for the record i have not and will never ask for a fellow member to be banned because he/she disagrees with me. there are lads like johnny, frodo and el jef that i disagree with but their opinion as far as i'm concerned is just as valid as mine. even though they also have a tendency to convert every thread also into a pro rafa thread i don't see that being held up for close examination (and nor would i).

there are also a number of posters on here who have also decided to call me a variety of names, something which actually is of small consequence when directed towards me via a laptop from god knows where. However, i am in no doubt whatsoever that had rashid, sarb or i been the ones doing the name calling we would have found ourselves banned.

Who/what/when was that? First I have heard of it.

taking an 'anti rafa' position is not one as a wum. I agree, but saying he should 'shut his gob' is. it is out of the believe that after 4 years rafa has failed to move us into a position that fans like myself aspired for. maybe we expected too much after the first season that saw istanbul. but by winning that night it was rafa that set the marker of how high our ambition should be.

my impression from rp's last post in the 'rafa warning' thread is that criticism of the manager is out of bounds. I expressly said in that post this is not the case. i understand and accept this in say a thread about dic but come on what about transfers (last i looked rafa buys these players), team selections, tactics on the pitch, post match interviews and indeed newspaper articles such as in the above mentioned thread?

i used the term 'the rafalution is dead' in the other thread. immediately i was subject to personal criticism. as i stated earlier that is of no consequence to me. however to those who criticise me, tell me of a revolution that sets its sights on not overthrowing the previous regime? if it fails to overthrow what it rose up against then it has failed. whether you agree with me or not can you see why someone would interpret the tone of that interview to be such?

like many here i followed the exodus from koptalk. est for people like myself was an opportunity to take part in a forum of equity and integrity leaving behind the censorship, double standards and deceitfulness that was koptalk.

i will continue to debate rafa's decisions and comments in threads such as transfer targets, team selections, tactics and interviews he gives. whilst recently most of my posts have been critical towards him i feel that i am more than capable of giving credit where its due. rp if that results in a ban then so be it

I hope you'll rethink this a bit because nobody wants to prevent you having your say, we only ask that you post your opinion in a sensible way rather than dropping in little remarks which embroils everyone in the same old lengthy argument whilst everyone else's opinions get ignored.

ffs - nobody is saying that Rafa is beyond criticism, its the continual criticism (often put in a snipey way) in so many threads which sparks the same boring arguments and counter arguments that is getting tiresome and annoying.


I honestly can't believe you are pretending you do not understand this when it has been repeated by so many people recently.


My advice would be if you want to be critical, try to do it in a reasoned and balanced way, don't just throw negative 'off the cuff' comments around - this just comes across as 'baiting' and is probably why so many on here regard you as a wum.

More or less exactly as I see it

That could be spun the other way, and some might say that the continual blind faith (often put in a RCDNW suck-up way) in so many threads which spark the same boring arguments and counter arguments that is getting tiresome and annoying.

I honestly can't believe you are pretending you do not understand this when it has been repeated by so many people recently.

My advice would be if you want to see everything as being positive, try to do it in a reasoned and balanced way, don't just throw random or irrelevant positive comments around - this just comes across as being a RCDNW and is probably why so many on here regard you as a head-in the sand merchant.

But the thing is, like I said before, irrational blind faith can be bewildering and even annoying but it's understandably not going to get Liverpoool fans as pissed off as repeated negative remarks.

[Craig_H]

Are you sure, Mr. Happy?
I think that 'following' you referred to can also be classed as 'LFC Supporters'.

If a Liverpool supporter doesnt think rafa will bring us a title challenge, what kind of 'supporter' would he be to not care, and just blindly back someone who they feel isnt the right person to bring success?

[Fierce]

Greebo - excellent post, you should do it more often

[Skillz]

Yes it would be totally different, but then it's not really that surprising that people on a Liverpool site are more enraged by constant, out of place and repetitious negative comments than by positive ones.

I thought this was worth repeating

[rage]

RP when i spoke about 'rafa shutting his gob' it was in the context of he should let his football do the talking on the pitch.

as for the name calling towards sarb, rashid and myself if you haven't seen it then i really don't know what to say to you.

i'm sure our performances upto xmas will have a significant impact on how this debate continues. there are plenty of posters on here who are neither pro or anti rafa who's views imo will hold sway as the season develops.

[rudedog]

That could be spun the other way, and some might say that the continual blind faith (often put in a RCDNW suck-up way) in so many threads which spark the same boring arguments and counter arguments that is getting tiresome and annoying.

I honestly can't believe you are pretending you do not understand this when it has been repeated by so many people recently.

My advice would be if you want to see everything as being positive, try to do it in a reasoned and balanced way, don't just throw random or irrelevant positive comments around - this just comes across as being a RCDNW and is probably why so many on here regard you as a head-in the sand merchant.

You do realise this is an LFC supporters website? Comments like this make you come across as impartial at best.

[Pacman]

RP when i spoke about 'rafa shutting his gob' it was in the context of he should let his football do the talking on the pitch.

as for the name calling towards sarb, rashid and myself if you haven't seen it then i really don't know what to say to you.

i'm sure our performances upto xmas will have a significant impact on how this debate continues. there are plenty of posters on here who are neither pro or anti rafa who's views imo will hold sway as the season develops.

Can you not see how people get frustrated because we are only 3 games in unbeaten yet our manager is still getting stick. By all means if we are 9 points behind in 4th by crimbo I would expect an onslaught but 3 games in and we haven't even been beaten?

[rage]

Can you not see how people get frustrated because we are only 3 games in unbeaten yet our manager is still getting stick. By all means if we are 9 points behind in 4th by crimbo I would expect an onslaught but 3 games in and we haven't even been beaten?

i think thats to do with how badly we've played 5 games so far. i think the utd game is actually a watershed moment. if we get wasted there will be hell to pay, if we set up for the draw at home likewise, but if rafa pulls it out of the hat then all will be forgiven and people (including myself) will take a step back and wait to see what the table looks like at xmas

[Pacman]

i think thats to do with how badly we've played 5 games so far. i think the utd game is actually a watershed moment. if we get wasted there will be hell to pay, if we set up for the draw at home likewise, but if rafa pulls it out of the hat then all will be forgiven and people (including myself) will take a step back and wait to see what the table looks like at xmas

But it's only 3 games.

Chelsea, Arsenal and United have hardly set the world on fire. 3 games unbeaten and people aren't happy. I'm not being funny but if that's the case they need to grow up.

[Skillz]

i think thats to do with how badly we've played 5 games so far. i think the utd game is actually a watershed moment. if we get wasted there will be hell to pay, if we set up for the draw at home likewise, but if rafa pulls it out of the hat then all will be forgiven and people (including myself) will take a step back and wait to see what the table looks like at xmas

Your about to get told

But it's only 3 games.

Chelsea, Arsenal and United have hardly set the world on fire. 3 games unbeaten and people aren't happy. I'm not being funny but if that's the case they need to grow up.

You've been told.

Everything Pacman says is true. Unbeaten, equal top, start of the season.

I feel optimism all the time except when I'm on here.

[rage]

But it's only 3 games.

Chelsea, Arsenal and United have hardly set the world on fire. 3 games unbeaten and people aren't happy. I'm not being funny but if that's the case they need to grow up.

chelsea, arsenal and utd have won the premiership, we have not. i for one have had enough of 5 year plans and one false dawn after another. i don't think its about growing up but rather frustration bordering on dismay. our football this season has been awful, team selections bizarre and the playing of keane on the left beggers belief. rafa this year will not have the luxury afforded to him in the past and that's why the criticism is appearing early.

i hope it gets better but i have seen nothing in our play in the 5 games so far that shows we are capable of competing, again this is not the case with chelsea, arsenal and whilst utd haven't played well they are champions and no one would write them off this early.

[Guest]

Problem is, negativity breeds itself. We don't need that right now. Just get behind the team FFS. Results will come by being positive and cheering the lads on, not bickering like ladies at the races, just for the sake of it.

[Craig_H]

You do realise this is an LFC supporters website? Comments like this make you come across as impartial at best.

I'm hardly impartial mate, but if i see something wrong, i'd rather it was corrected, than just pretend it's ok and see my club fall further behind.

We're potentially 8 or so months away from seeing the mancs equal our record and that will be devestating if it happens. I'd rather the necessary changes were made before that happens. Prevention over cure, right?

[Craig_H]

i think thats to do with how badly we've played 5 games so far. i think the utd game is actually a watershed moment. if we get wasted there will be hell to pay, if we set up for the draw at home likewise, but if rafa pulls it out of the hat then all will be forgiven and people (including myself) will take a step back and wait to see what the table looks like at xmas

I have to say, my concerns are totally independent of this season, i am not judging anything on the few games so far. My worries are over the mistakes made in previous years and the prospect of seeing those same mistakes repeated.

Nobody is perfect and i dont begrudge the manager a few mistakes, but it is crucial he learns from them and makes the necessary tweaks in his thinking.

[Craig_H]

Your about to get told



You've been told.

Everything Pacman says is true. Unbeaten, equal top, start of the season.

I feel optimism all the time except when I'm on here.

I'm being a pedant here, but we're not 'equal top', we're 2nd. Not that i have a problem with being 2nd now, but the point is, if we ended like this, we wouldnt share the title, we'd be runners up and Chelsea would win the league.