Benitez - the master tactician

[Reece]

I wonder how many posters on here have actually stopped logging on because they know that Rage,Rashid,Sarb and CraigH will be on here whinging about the most recent result and their perceived problems with Rafa`s decisions that day. I used to love logging on here,now I do it less and less.

What do you want us to do? Ban everyone that has a pessimistic outlook on our fortunes? They are entitled to their opinions. If people don't want to log on here because people have different opinions then that is their prerogative. The posters you mention don't go around abusing other posters, they just state their opinion. I disagree with them the majority of the time, but why get worked up about it? If they want to have that outlook on things then so be it.

You can't avoid them, I agree with that (unless you put them on ignore), but all you seem to do is reply to them with mocking remarks like "boring" etc.

And as for you, well you were back on here the day your last ban finished so you can't be that put off it

[Johnny]

What do you want us to do? Ban everyone that has a pessimistic outlook on our fortunes? They are entitled to their opinions. If people don't want to log on here because people have different opinions then that is their prerogative. The posters you mention don't go around abusing other posters, they just state their opinion. I disagree with them the majority of the time, but why get worked up about it? If they want to have that outlook on things then so be it.

You can't avoid them, I agree with that (unless you put them on ignore), but all you seem to do is reply to them with mocking remarks like "boring" etc.

And as for you, well you were back on here the day your last ban finished so you can't be that put off it That was before Radish was banned from TLW for being a WUM and decided to pollute this place with his Anti-Rafa agenda.

Est is fast becoming a site dominated by four posters.If that`s how youse want it percieved then IMHO it`s to the detriment to the site.

I`m only one man and am also entitled to my opinion.I just would`nt want this site to be dragged down by a minority of clowns.

[rage]

i don't think dominated by 4 posters is fair johnny, just 4 posters that are openly critical of the way we play. there are plenty of posts by others that far exceed our post count. maybe you're drawn to what we say because it clearly differs with your opinions.

[Johnny]

i don't think dominated by 4 posters is fair johnny, just 4 posters that are openly critical of the way we play. there are plenty of posts by others that far exceed our post count. maybe you're drawn to what we say because it clearly differs with your opinions.

It`s not your opinion that irks me,it`s the fact you feel the need to discuss it over and over repeatedly every day in every thread.Your agenda is getting very boring and repetitive mate.We know your opinions and they won`t change until Rafa is gone.Why the need to remind us every day??

[rage]

It`s not your opinion that irks me,it`s the fact you feel the need to discuss it over and over repeatedly every day in every thread.Your agenda is getting very boring and repetitive mate.We know your opinions and they won`t change until Rafa is gone.Why the need to remind us every day??

i don't repeat it every day in every thread.

[Fowler_God]

Rashid is banned from the Liverpool Way?
:Runs off to re-open his Liverpool Way account:

[Johnny]

i don't repeat it every day in every thread.

One of the four do.

Anyway,I`ve had a long day.All these posts will be deleted and tomorrow will be a new day.Didn`t mean to be offensive,if I was.Just seen another thread with you and rash giving out and jumped in,maybe I shouldn`t have.Have a good night.

[rage]

One of the four do.

Anyway,I`ve had a long day.All these posts will be deleted and tomorrow will be a new day.Didn`t mean to be offensive,if I was.Just seen another thread with you and rash giving out and jumped in,maybe I shouldn`t have.Have a good night.

bring on the blue ****e

[Johnny]

bring on the blue ****e

[Reece]

Awwww just call me cupid

[BigChief]

Right, I've finally seen most of the game on Football First, and these are the people we should shoot in priority order (for Rashid's sake and in Rashid's language):

Rashid Speak

1. Torres - what the f*ck is he playing at? If you can't score simple goals like that then f*ck off out of our club.

2. Riera - Where the f*ck were you all game?

3. Keane - Honeymoon period over laddy

4. Dossena = Riise - 1

5. Gerrard - We played better without you last week mate, sort your corners out!

End of Rashid Speak.

As for Rafa, he's way far down that list because although we lack width on the right, it was ironic that Kuyt and Arbeloa created three of our BEST chances from there. Rafa had us playing like a machine and it was a shame our strikers are still getting over early season jitters. The next team we play like that against will take a tonking. Mark My Words.

My head's not up anyone's arse. Unlike Rashid, its not up my own either.

[badpiggy]

Rage - I think the problem is down to the style of play and **** knows what they do in training - I'd say rafa prefers syncronised defending as opposed to expressive attacking football - hence he wins tactical battles but struggles in all out attacking games where the onus is him to win.

i'm not up in arms about today's result because champions DO have days like this...

but my basic worry about rafa is exactly what's said here - he's tactically brilliant at negating opposition, obviously brilliant at the technical aspects of setting up a zonal defence, positional discipline, assesses dispassionately a players potential to perform from game to game etc... but is he suspicious and uncomfortable with just letting players do what they do best in their best positions? and will this approach win us the league ultimately?

it's all such a fine argument which has a lot to do with misunderstood or over-analysed aspects of coaching, formations, man-management and so on.

because i don't understand exactly what rafa is doing i'm just going to wait and see but i accept the well-based and well-argued doubts of other fans. as long as they're coherent and not pointlessly wummish they have a place on any fans forum because when liverpool - and footie fans generally - fans talk in real life these are the things we talk about.

[BigChief]

But badpiggy, this season so far he's given more licence to go forwards. Today I saw no long balls, no desperate last minute hoofs. Torres had three glorious chances (he only needs a half) to put us 3 nil ahead. Would we be lauding Rafa right now had Torres not been so cr*p?

[Crazy-Horse]

Sack Rafa...He played such a defensive set-up today. Why did we need Mascherano as defensive mid...

Oh O, perhaps not!

Match stats (frm ESPN)

Liverpool Stoke
Shots (on Goal) 30(6) 2(0)
Fouls 8 11
Corner Kicks 19 3
Offsides 1 3
Time of Possession 76% 24%
Yellow Cards 1 1
Red Cards 0 0
Saves 0 6

As Shankly once commented "The Best Side Drew"

[Rashid]

Sack Rafa...He played such a defensive set-up today. Why did we need Mascherano as defensive mid...

Oh O, perhaps not!

Match stats (frm ESPN)

Liverpool Stoke
Shots (on Goal) 30(6) 2(0)
Fouls 8 11
Corner Kicks 19 3
Offsides 1 3
Time of Possession 76% 24%
Yellow Cards 1 1
Red Cards 0 0
Saves 0 6

As Shankly once commented "The Best Side Drew"

That lot mean nothing when your opponents refuse to play football, of course we will have possession and have shots on goal. As for the Mascherano analogy, it doesn't matter who is on the pitch, Rafa is a defensive coach and players can't go from one extreme to another game by game.

Rafa's tactics are based around negating the opposition so he suffers when the onus is on him to attack.