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    #31
    Originally posted by Woobus View Post
    Carra used to be a full back but since his change I will always see him as a centre back. Dont think it should matter where they used to play, only how they have been deployed this season.
    I think Riera needs to watch Kuyt and get more runs in the box when the ball is on the right hand side. When the ball is on the right hand side Kuyt stays near the touchline, but when it is on the over side he moves into the box adding another target in the box.
    Riera has been great since he joined but as yet not the same goal threat as Kuyt.
    So how and indeed where do you think Carra played on Saturday?
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      #32
      Originally posted by Woobus View Post
      Surely a definition of a winger is someone who plays on the wing. Kuyt certainly does this for us so in my eyes has been a winger this year.
      I'm not sure - I think you can draw definition between a winger and a wide midfielder. The classic example I always use is the Arsenal side with Overmars on one side and Parlour on the other. I understand there is also a talent differential between the two but the differing styles are fairly evident.
      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
      -- William Blake

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        #33
        Originally posted by Woobus View Post
        Carra used to be a full back but since his change I will always see him as a centre back. Dont think it should matter where they used to play, only how they have been deployed this season.
        I think Riera needs to watch Kuyt and get more runs in the box when the ball is on the right hand side. When the ball is on the right hand side Kuyt stays near the touchline, but when it is on the over side he moves into the box adding another target in the box.
        Riera has been great since he joined but as yet not the same goal threat as Kuyt.
        Being satisfied with the amount of fish I caught I will reply to this

        The point you make about Riera is the exact reason why Pennant has never become a good enough player for Liverpool. He was glued to the touchline. That is fine for a large part of the game, but he never knew when to come inside and offer a goal threat or to offer himself as an airial target. He may be useless in the air, but it's about giving a defender someone else to mark and take him away from a striker.

        All in all his general play on the wing was of sufficient standard to get him in most first XI's, he just lacks that bit extra required to make the grade at a top club such as Liverpool.

        What is most annoying is that on his one and only start for Arsenal he scored a hat trick. Clearly he has the ability to finish, he's just never used it.
        Forwards.......

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          #34
          You can define "winger" either way, according to your preferences.

          No offence to ardja for starting it but this thread is painful really.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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            #35
            Originally posted by Woobus View Post
            Carra used to be a full back but since his change I will always see him as a centre back. Dont think it should matter where they used to play, only how they have been deployed this season.
            I think Riera needs to watch Kuyt and get more runs in the box when the ball is on the right hand side. When the ball is on the right hand side Kuyt stays near the touchline, but when it is on the over side he moves into the box adding another target in the box.
            Riera has been great since he joined but as yet not the same goal threat as Kuyt.
            i think this sums it up perfectly reira hugs the touchline as a winger pretty much all the time thus offering more width - kuyt however (being a striker ) tends to move into the centre too often taking another defender with him and closing space that the striker would have had.

            i can see your points alright - and your not wrong but we are apart on our views of a wingers job description.
            "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

            "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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              #36
              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              You can define "winger" either way, according to your preferences.

              No offence to ardja for starting it but this thread is painful really.
              No you can't, it is what it is.

              But the question ardja was asking is also very clear. A debate on the meaning of a word is as you suggest pointless.
              Forwards.......

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                #37
                Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                No you can't, it is what it is.

                But the question ardja was asking is also very clear. A debate on the meaning of a word is as you suggest pointless.
                Don't be daft, this thread proves people use the word to mean different things.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                  #38
                  i voted pennant - purely as a response to mrm's post (in white text)
                  i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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                    #39
                    To get back to the originally intended question: I think that neither Riera or Kuyt would have had as good a season if the other hadn't been their to balance the comparative weaknesses of their games out. The balance of the team has been exceptional of late and both have contributed hugely to that.

                    I forced to say one or the other the fact that Kuyt has scored more goals would give him ethe edge for me.
                    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                      So how and indeed where do you think Carra played on Saturday?
                      Bah

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                        #41
                        i think this is one of the first threads i have read that has actually had a proper debate that didnt degenerate into a mud slinging match

                        fair play - when it turns into a slagging match i get pissed of and knowing im right and just leave the thread be to self destruct
                        "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

                        "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by bobbyfallon View Post
                          i can see your points alright - and your not wrong but we are apart on our views of a wingers job description.
                          Agree with you its all over definitions. Suppose Kuyt might be better pegged in a wide role rather than a winger.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by bobbyfallon View Post
                            i think this sums it up perfectly reira hugs the touchline as a winger pretty much all the time thus offering more width - kuyt however (being a striker ) tends to move into the centre too often taking another defender with him and closing space that the striker would have had.

                            i can see your points alright - and your not wrong but we are apart on our views of a wingers job description.
                            moves in to the centre too often? I suppose he scores those match winning goals too often too.

                            They're both wide players and Dirk has far more goals and assists.

                            this is a no brainer.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Woobus View Post
                              Agree with you its all over definitions. Suppose Kuyt might be better pegged in a wide role rather than a winger.
                              i win

                              "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

                              "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by BG1973 View Post
                                moves in to the centre too often? I suppose he scores those match winning goals too often too.

                                They're both wide players and Dirk has far more goals and assists.

                                this is a no brainer.
                                we are on about wingers not wide players and imo there is a difference

                                reira is an old fashioned winger - takes on his man and hugs the touchline

                                kuyt is a striker playing as a wide player - he comes inside due to his instincts as a striker - scoring goals is his job and he is doing it well at the min and fair play to him
                                "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

                                "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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