Post Match Recriminations - Hull City

[Craig_H]

I’m not justifying Rafa’s subs just pointing out that there is probably more to them than meets the eye.

Lucas for Gerrard against Everton being another example.

In this case, there's nothing other than a stubborn streak, to explain it. At least, i havent heard anything else that makes sense.

Lucas at Everton was something of a one-off.

[nbryan1764]

What was the sub? Finnan off, Hamann on.

Was finnan injured?

If an injured player comes off, it's an enforced sub.

Not gonna dwell on this, it was an enforced change but even if you say it wasnt, that'll be ONE half time change in 4 and a half years. The point still remains.

**** me I give up. The point is he was coming on anyway and that tactical decision was made before it was known Finnan was coming off. When the decision was taken then it was not enforced. I don't particulalry want to dwell either but the point was asked can he make a decision to change a game. He did, simple as.

[RedReet]

This could go on all day. The subs that don’t work out obviously stick in the mind better.

Rafa is no doubt a stubborn man but I really don’t think he’s so bad that he’d put his pride before the good of the team.

[dww]

**** me I give up. The point is he was coming on anyway and that tactical decision was made before it was known Finnan was coming off. When the decision was taken then it was not enforced. I don't particulalry want to dwell either but the point was asked can he make a decision to change a game. He did, simple as.

I think that Craig_H is making the specific point though that Rafa hasn't made changes as early as half time when there hasn't been an injury to force him to do it then.

I agree about the tactical aspect of what you are saying but I think that Mr H has a point re: when Rafa makes subs.

[nbryan1764]

I think that Craig_H is making the specific point though that Rafa hasn't made changes as early as half time when there hasn't been an injury to force him to do it then.

I agree about the tactical aspect of what you are saying but I think that Mr H has a point re: when Rafa makes subs.

I totally agree with the point about Rafa making subs - it was me that said it in the first place here about timings of subs (in this thread I mean!)

Madness - sheer madness

[Neil Young]

I think that Craig_H is making the specific point though that Rafa hasn't made changes as early as half time when there hasn't been an injury to force him to do it then.

I agree about the tactical aspect of what you are saying but I think that Mr H has a point re: when Rafa makes subs.

I expect it has never entered Rafa's tiny mind to make tactical substitutions at half-time.

It's the only explanation.

[dww]

I totally agree with the point about Rafa making subs - it was me that said it in the first place here about timings of subs (in this thread I mean!)

Madness - sheer madness

My apologies, should have read the whole thread I guess (all though I like to keep up some sort of illusion of having a life ). In which case I think the argument is all crossed wires then.

[nbryan1764]

My apologies, should have read the whole thread I guess (all though I like to keep up some sort of illusion of having a life ). In which case I think the argument is all crossed wires then.

no apologies necessary mate

I just wonder sometimes if facts are ignored to back up arguments?? I think for this it maybe crossed wires, I think whenever I have seen Craig H with an opinion he has valid points to back it up. Who knows, who cares really eh!

[Vermilion]

no apologies necessary mate

I just wonder sometimes if facts are ignored to back up arguments?? I think for this it maybe crossed wires, I think whenever I have seen Craig H with an opinion he has valid points to back it up. Who knows, who cares really eh!

me me carry on...

[Craig_H]

**** me I give up. The point is he was coming on anyway and that tactical decision was made before it was known Finnan was coming off. When the decision was taken then it was not enforced. I don't particulalry want to dwell either but the point was asked can he make a decision to change a game. He did, simple as.

Once in four and a half years.

So you'd have to argue that it's the exception to the rule, surely?

[nbryan1764]

Once in four and a half years.

Great.

well done

ah you edited lol I will too then, and yes I agree this story surprised me to but...

WHAT constitutes a master tactician?

The ability to make changes to the pattern of a match with influential substitutions is clearly one criterion.

And in Rafael Benitez, Liverpool possess the best Anfield has ever seen.

Ryan Babel's goalscoring impact against Manchester United last Saturday was the 50th occasion Benitez has brought on a player who has scored.

Even given the increased number of substitutions in modern football, that's a remarkable record.

[MrMichael]

In 2 hours time, we wont be top anymore, so that chestnut will be out the window.

Epic lolz... I absolutely insist you post something similar before each of Chelsea's next few matches. Actually, **** "next few matches", every week until May

[MrMichael]

well done

ah you edited lol I will too then, and yes I agree this story surprised me to but...

WHAT constitutes a master tactician?

The ability to make changes to the pattern of a match with influential substitutions is clearly one criterion.

And in Rafael Benitez, Liverpool possess the best Anfield has ever seen.

Ryan Babel's goalscoring impact against Manchester United last Saturday was the 50th occasion Benitez has brought on a player who has scored.

Even given the increased number of substitutions in modern football, that's a remarkable record.

Wow, that is a suprising stat.

I wonder how that compares with other managers (in a similar number of games), difficult to know what to make of it in isolation.

[Craig_H]

Epic lolz... I absolutely insist you post something similar before each of Chelsea's next few matches. Actually, **** "next few matches", every week until May

If the opportunity presents itself, whereby chelsea can go top by winning their game in hand, i'll be delighted to. I hope it doesnt though, because it'll mean we've kept winning and winning.