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    #31
    We simply lack character to take games to other teams. In more simplistic terms, we lack the bottle. Is it Benitez or do the players feel the strain of being at the top? Did Benitez have a Gallas moment thus this is our capitulation? Do teams see Liverpool as less of a threat than United thus raising their game which we can't match?

    I remember Graeme Souness talking after we beat United and what Paisley and Moran used to say to the side. He said, 'If the team matches them for effort, the team should win because we had better players. So if they go in for a tackle, we would go in for a tackle'

    We clearly do have better players, do we lack effort? I personally so. We sometimes show a bit too much disrespect to the opposition and think we will beat them. I say, get them ruffled from the first couple of minutes and beat them to everything.

    Teams at Anfield are more than happy to allow us to win the first balls as long as they win the second, we need to have the fighting spirit to win every battle on the pitch. United for instance win every ball no matter what the score, if they are winning 5-0 or drawing 0-0. Its about putting that message across to other teams. Yesterday for instance, by us sitting on a 1-0 lead and not really dominating possession after the goal and creating more chances, we gave Everton the incentive to score and credit to them, they did.

    Teams will come to Anfield and play in the exact same manner till the end of the season and we will drop more points because we lack that aggressive streak, that competitiveness, the nerve, the bottle to throw the gauntlet not only to the opposition but the rest of the Premiership especially United, Chelsea, Villa and Arsenal.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Woobus View Post
      Think it shows that all the top teams have been having good and bad spells. Who knows what the future may hold, we could lose every match or we could win them all.
      We aint gonna win them all, nor lose them all.

      Every team has good and bad spells. United's bad spell didnt see them out of the title race and they're now on a winning run.

      Our bad streak is right now and it's about to kill our title bid.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
        We aint gonna win them all, nor lose them all.

        Every team has good and bad spells. United's bad spell didnt see them out of the title race and they're now on a winning run.

        Our bad streak is right now and it's about to kill our title bid.
        Absolutely correct. We haven't had a good spell this season. We have played absolutely awful this season, some real unattractive football. At least toward the end of last season, we looked good going forward and solid at the back but this has been really piss poor recently. United whilst playing badly gain three points, we drop points. Shows how good we are when the pressure is on.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
          We aint gonna win them all, nor lose them all.

          Every team has good and bad spells. United's bad spell didnt see them out of the title race and they're now on a winning run.

          Our bad streak is right now and it's about to kill our title bid.
          Its only going to kill it if it continues which we just dont know. During Uniteds bad spell it did look like they were out of the running, but back then we didnt know what was going to happen. Sound familar and look were United are now?
          I dont know whats going to happen, I dont think you have special powers to see the future. So why worry about something that may or may not happen and which you have no power to control anyway.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Woobus View Post
            Its only going to kill it if it continues which we just dont know. During Uniteds bad spell it did look like they were out of the running, but back then we didnt know what was going to happen. Sound familar and look were United are now?
            I dont know whats going to happen, I dont think you have special powers to see the future. So why worry about something that may or may not happen and which you have no power to control anyway.
            We draw basically half our home games. It's not a one-off or just something that happened in the first 2 months of the season, it's just what we do. Why is it all suddenly going to change? We basically need to win all 8 of our remaining home games, very unlikely.

            As for worrying about something we have no power to control - well let's shut the forums then, because we ultimately control nothing in football. No point worrying about it, or discussing it then.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
              We draw basically half our home games. It's not a one-off or just something that happened in the first 2 months of the season, it's just what we do. Why is it all suddenly going to change? We basically need to win all 8 of our remaining home games, very unlikely.

              As for worrying about something we have no power to control - well let's shut the forums then, because we ultimately control nothing in football. No point worrying about it, or discussing it then.
              Nothing wrong with discussing it, I just see no need for over the top negative posts. Some of the stuff on here has been laughable like we will probably finish 5th now. There is plenty of stuff to discuss other than gloomy predictions about the future.
              If United continue their away record in the second half of the season of only 2/5 win ratio then it will be hard for them to win the league. It isnt only us who needs to sort stuff out.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                We draw basically half our home games. It's not a one-off or just something that happened in the first 2 months of the season, it's just what we do. Why is it all suddenly going to change? We basically need to win all 8 of our remaining home games, very unlikely.

                As for worrying about something we have no power to control - well let's shut the forums then, because we ultimately control nothing in football. No point worrying about it, or discussing it then.
                We won 8 from 8 last year at the same stage.
                If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  Arguably, they are.

                  If we'd won those 5 easy home games, we'd be 10 points clear right now.

                  Says it all.
                  ...and if united hadn't dropped silly points they'd be well clear by now.
                  ...and if arsenal hadn't lost these home games they'd in front now.
                  ...and if chelsea hadn't ...


                  all teams will continue to drop points ... the race is still wide open ...

                  we have the ability to go on a winning run and i for one am confident that we will - starting against wigan on wednesday in the prem.

                  and by the way - as long as we're top after 38 games i don't care. it's about being in touching distance to capitalise on their mistakes - mistakes they will undoubtely make.

                  no offence mate but are you generally such a defeatist?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                    Right, well 'easy' is a subjective term which you're enjoying trying to grey out a little, so let's do it differently.

                    Teams who win the title generally beat everton (and hull, stoke, fulham, west ham etc) at home.

                    Better?
                    another gross generalisation.

                    Just to clarify, I'm talking about this season and Everton not being an easy game. As there is only 1 title to be won this season your question about do previous title wining teams 'genereally' beat Everton isn't relative.

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                      #40
                      There is pessimism because over the last couple of months Manu have gained 10 points on us and our inconsistent form continues.

                      We're doing a fair bit better at this stage than we were last season (7 points up) so all is not lost. We're joint with the Mancs on points and only 2 behind on goal difference even though we've been without Torres.

                      The pessimism exists because Manu have done it plenty of times before, they have way more attacking flair and options and they now look to be getting into their stride.

                      Its foolish to be giving in at this stage, but my head says Manu, they're getting the luck, they're the form team and we're not. I just pray that Torres makes the difference.

                      "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                      I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                      FatTony 24/08/09

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by rudedog View Post
                        another gross generalisation.

                        Just to clarify, I'm talking about this season and Everton not being an easy game. As there is only 1 title to be won this season your question about do previous title wining teams 'genereally' beat Everton isn't relative.
                        Gross generalisation? I dont think so.

                        Which of the last 5 PL winners have failed to beat two newly promoted sides at home, as well as Fulham & West Ham?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                          Gross generalisation? I dont think so.

                          Which of the last 5 PL winners have failed to beat two newly promoted sides at home, as well as Fulham & West Ham?
                          never mentioned anything about those teams - was only disputing everton being an 'easy' game.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by rudedog View Post
                            never mentioned anything about those teams - was only disputing everton being an 'easy' game.
                            They're a team who are very much inferior to us, with a smaller squad and currently without a proper fit striker.

                            I think it should've been a relatively comfortable win.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                              They're a team who are very much inferior to us, with a smaller squad and currently without a proper fit striker.

                              I think it should've been a relatively comfortable win.

                              The last time Everton lost a game was back in November.
                              They hadn't conceded a goal for their last 6 matches.
                              They have now taken points off ALL of the top 4 teams in the league this season.
                              It was a local Derby and they were always going to raise their game.

                              And you think this was going to be an 'easy' game for us?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by rudedog View Post
                                The last time Everton lost a game was back in November.
                                They hadn't conceded a goal for their last 6 matches.
                                They have now taken points off ALL of the top 4 teams in the league this season.
                                It was a local Derby and they were always going to raise their game.

                                And you think this was going to be an 'easy' game for us?
                                Yes, we have better players than them and we are playing at home

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