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    San Siro and the Stadium that never was.

    I was watching the Milan derby last night. An incredible stadium and a huge achievement for one that holds 80,000. It manages to achieve an atmosphere which can so easily be lost when the capacity increases. So many large stadiums lack atmpsohere because the fans become slightly lost and detached due to the hugeness of the stadium and the use of space. The Emirates for example. The San Siro is my favourite stadium. The tiers are so steep and the seats so close that the fans almost envolope the pitch. Its almost as perfect as a football stadium can be.

    That reminded me of the failed new stadium. I didn't want to see Anfield ripped to the ground, but lets be honest, we need to increase match day revenue. The plans looked good, a little too modern, but certainly original. Then we heard that the new stadium would be built around the Kop. The Kop would be the conductor and the rest of the stadium the orchestra, was how (almost) one of G&H put it. The Kop would be the steepest, largest tier in english football. The new stadium would be designed with the accoustics in mind, designed to amplify every scream and chant bellowing from the fans hanging right over Pepe Reina. The Kop would be the infantry stood eagerly behind their commanders on the battlefield.

    This had so much promise, it wouldn't be a heartless concrete bowl, new yes, but we would make it ours and if anything, the potential was there to make the new stadium more intimidating than the last. The owners sounded like they had an understanding of what we needed, but it was never to be. I can't help breathing a slight sense of relief with the current economic climate, but then its a double edged sword as we're now limited to 45,000 seats indefinitley.

    Talking of conductors, we have two at the moment in G&H. Maybe they have more in common with musicals than football. I'd suggest they try their hand at conducting Fiddler On The Roor, If I Were A Rich Man seems a perfect song to start with.
    Last edited by FatTony; 16-02-09, 11:47 AM.

    "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

    I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

    FatTony 24/08/09

    #2
    Who says the stadium won't be built eventually.

    It would be madness to do it in the current financial climate. I think that is one decision the owners did get right, not that they will ever get any credit for it.
    Oh I don't know.

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      #3
      Originally posted by dom9 View Post
      Who says the stadium won't be built eventually.

      It would be madness to do it in the current financial climate. I think that is one decision the owners did get right, not that they will ever get any credit for it.
      Credit??? Construction was supposed to start within months of them taking over. Hardly reasons based on the economic markets. The problem was their own finances at the time.

      "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

      I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

      FatTony 24/08/09

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        #4
        Ther will be a spade in the turf in 60 days i tell you.

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          #5
          Originally posted by FatTony View Post
          Credit??? Construction was supposed to start within months of them taking over. Hardly reasons based on the economic markets. The problem was their own finances at the time.
          Your response is exactly what I was referring to.
          Oh I don't know.

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            #6
            Originally posted by dom9 View Post
            Your response is exactly what I was referring to.
            Now you're not making sense.

            The initial plans were not delayed due to the economic markets, it was boom time then, it was based purely due to them being unable to raise the finances needed. Why, because they took over something which was far too big for them.

            The second set of plans (IMO another delaying tactic) ended up being binned due to the worldwide downturn, and yes, that was the correct decision.

            "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

            I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

            FatTony 24/08/09

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              #7
              Originally posted by FatTony View Post
              Now you're not making sense.

              The initial plans were not delayed due to the economic markets, it was boom time then, it was based purely due to them being unable to raise the finances needed. Why, because they took over something which was far too big for them.

              The second set of plans (IMO another delaying tactic) ended up being binned due to the worldwide downturn, and yes, that was the correct decision.
              Didnt they struggle to raise the finance BECAUSE of the economical climate? Or is that not the case?

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                #8
                Originally posted by FatTony View Post
                Now you're not making sense.

                The initial plans were not delayed due to the economic markets, it was boom time then, it was based purely due to them being unable to raise the finances needed. Why, because they took over something which was far too big for them.

                The second set of plans (IMO another delaying tactic) ended up being binned due to the worldwide downturn, and yes, that was the correct decision.
                They were unable to raise the finances because of the credit crunch. If the market was booming, they would have got the money! The economy has been in decline in the last 2 years and it's only going to get worse before it gets better. Also assuming they had got the finance and had they started to build the stadium when they said, it would have cost a lot more than say if they had started to build the stadium now. This is down to the price of steel has fallen.
                My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  Didnt they struggle to raise the finance BECAUSE of the economical climate? Or is that not the case?
                  Exactly right
                  My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by saj View Post
                    Exactly right
                    If thats right, then why did they:

                    a: promise to get a shovel in the ground within 60 days
                    b: waste 30 million or whatever it was on the stadium project during this period?

                    Doesn't quite add up to me.
                    Last edited by FatTony; 16-02-09, 12:36 PM.

                    "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                    I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                    FatTony 24/08/09

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                      #11
                      The exact quote was

                      “The shovel needs to be in the ground within the next 60 days and you will soon see a great big swimming pool being dug out on Stanley Park."

                      The key word here is needs, not will. And it was needed for a financial matter...was it NWDA grants or something? Yes, it's all semantics, but there was never a definite "will be".

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Scratch View Post
                        The exact quote was

                        “The shovel needs to be in the ground within the next 60 days and you will soon see a great big swimming pool being dug out on Stanley Park."

                        The key word here is needs, not will. And it was needed for a financial matter...was it NWDA grants or something? Yes, it's all semantics, but there was never a definite "will be".
                        what about the "and you will soon see a great big swimming pool being dug out on Stanley Park" part?

                        Splitting hairs I think.

                        "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                        I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                        FatTony 24/08/09

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by FatTony View Post
                          If thats right, then why did they:

                          a: promise to get a shovel in the ground within 60 days
                          b: waste 30 million or whatever it was on the stadium project during this period?

                          Doesn't quite add up to me.
                          They promised that as they were trying to sell themselves and win over the Liverpool fans. They obviously didn't forecast the financial climate would change as obviously most people didn't - hence the reason why the world is in financial ruin. But in fairness, they did well in pulling out of the building of the stadium for 2 reasons:

                          1. Steel prices have fallen heavily since the credit crunch and apparently the stadium (assuming they were to get the finance now and start bullding now) would cost around at least £100M less now.

                          2. Had they got the finance for the stadium when they intended, we would possibly have ended up being in the same state as Valencia. We would have been financially ruined and would probably not even be able to pay our players as per Valencia.


                          They've actually wasted £100M on the stadium project so far according to Gillete
                          My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FatTony View Post
                            Now you're not making sense.

                            The initial plans were not delayed due to the economic markets, it was boom time then, it was based purely due to them being unable to raise the finances needed. Why, because they took over something which was far too big for them.

                            The second set of plans (IMO another delaying tactic) ended up being binned due to the worldwide downturn, and yes, that was the correct decision.
                            The second plans were required to cut costs on the originals.
                            Oh I don't know.

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                              #15
                              All's well that ends well?

                              We could've maybe done it when it was cheap(er) and Moores was in charge, but would've been stuck with a Parrybowl

                              Had the yanks built one we would've been stuck with them long-term and going by their track record we may well have been royally ****ed

                              We're now in a situation where it looks as if they have to sell by the end of the Summer no matter what, Parry's incompetence is now public knowledge and Rafa is getting the power he wanted. Any new owners surely couldn't make as much of a dog's arse of everything
                              Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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