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    Cohen the gimp is at it again!

    Steven Cohen, co-host of the World Soccer Daily radio show, has been at it again.

    While the rest of the world last week was paying tribute to the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough Tragedy, Cohen was complaining on his U.S. radio show that Liverpool fans failed to take responsibility for Hillsborough as well as claiming that if 6,000-8,000 ticketless fans had not shown up, the Hillsborough Disaster would never have happened.

    The problem is, he’s wrong. Dead wrong.

    Steven Cohen’s Statements About the Hillsborough Disaster
    So what did Cohen say that was so wrong? Here are three statements that Cohen made about the Hillsborough Disaster on his Monday, April 13, 2009 episode of World Soccer Daily (note, you can listen to the entire audio clip at the bottom of this post):


    “People showing up without ticket, hell bent in getting into somewhere where they shouldn’t be going because they don’t have tickets, is the root cause of [the Hillsborough Disaster].”

    “I’m yet to read anybody write in this weekend’s Sunday papers in England, where they’re all doing big commemorations about the 96, and why we should never forget and how it’s changed the game, nobody discusses the 6-8,000 who showed up without tickets and my argument has always been, if those people don’t show up, this never happens.”

    “[Hillsborough] is a stadium that week-in week-out, Sheffield Wednesday used without incident.”

    World Soccer Daily Playing With Fire
    Hosted by Steven Cohen and Kenny Hassan, the Los Angeles-based show is broadcast nationwide each weekday on Sirius Satellite Radio and also available as a daily podcast, which is one of the top 10 most popular sports podcasts on iTunes.

    Without a doubt, Cohen is the voice of soccer in America. Since the launch of his network in May 2002, Cohen has succeeded in growing World Soccer Daily into the must-listen show about soccer in the United States. Coupled with his weekly co-host slot on Fox Soccer Channel’s Fox Football Fone-In show, 46-year-old Cohen has built a sizeable following, many of whom are impressionable fans who are relatively new to the sport and hang on his every word.

    That’s fine when it’s fun and games, but when Cohen (a Chelsea supporter) spews out misinformation about the Hillsborough Disaster, it’s dangerous. One, because his beliefs about Hillsborough are completely wrong. And two, because by making his beliefs public, he’s giving many newbie soccer fans false information and thereby spreading the wrong information about the cause of the disaster. With such a large audience on radio and television, he has a responsibility to educate listeners on what really happened on April 15, 1989.

    The Facts About The Hillsborough Tragedy
    To dispel his myths, here are the facts:

    “The immediate cause of the gross overcrowding and hence the disaster was the failure, when gate C was opened, to cut off access to the central pens which were already overfull,” — The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 265.
    “Planning apart, however, it should have been clear in the control room where there was a view of the pens and of the crowd at the turnstiles that the tunnel had to be closed. If orders had been given to that effect when gate C was opened, the fans could have been directed to the empty areas of the wings and this disaster could still have been avoided. Failure to give that order was a blunder of the first magnitude,” — The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 231.
    “I have already found that there was not an abnormally large number of fans without tickets on this occasion. With one or two exceptions, the police witnesses themselves did not subscribe to the ‘conspiracy’ theory (of a large number
    of late-arriving ticketless supporters). I am satisfied that the large concentration at Leppings Lane from 2.30 pm to 2.50 pm did not arrive as a result of any concerted plan. There were, I accept, small groups without tickets who were willing to exploit any adventitious chance of getting into the ground. They, together with the minority who had drunk too much, certainly aggravated the problem faced by the police. But that main problem was simply one of large numbers packed into the small area outside the turnstiles,” The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 208.
    “The police witnesses who most impressed me did not consider the number of ticketless fans to be inordinately large. This accords with two other sources of evidence,” The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 200.
    “Sheffield Wednesday FC’s own admission count system showed the terrace did not exceed its 10,100 capacity (for the Leppings Lane end). As part of their analysis, the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) counted the number of [Liverpool] supporters entering the ground, including those through the turnstiles, through Gate C and even those who climbed over the turnstiles. They gave three admission figures based on their analysis. Their first figure was 9,267, their ‘best estimate’ was 9,734, and their third figure was a ‘maximum estimate’ of 10,124. The HSE report stated it was unlikely that the terrace exceeded 10,124 and that total admissions were approximately equal to the designated capacity of 10,100 people. Taylor surmised there was no substance to the allegation that ticketless fans caused the Disaster,” The Hillsborough Football Disaster: Context And Consequences, page 17. Also watch video evidence of the fans walking through the turnstiles and walking into the tunnel.
    The Taylor Report exonerated the Liverpool fans of any culpability. “The main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control,” The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 278.
    Leppings Lane stand was deemed unsuitable in 1981 after 38 Spurs fans suffered crush related injuries. Sheffield Wednesday never carried out the work required. In addition to the 1981 incident, crushes also occurred at Hillsborough in 1987 and 1988. In fact Liverpool played Nottingham Forest in the same stage of the tournament one year prior at the same ground where Liverpool fans were crushed. Liverpool filed an official complaint prior to the 1989 FA-Cup semi final to air their concerns about safety.
    Cohen was absolutely wrong on his April 13th show regarding the statements he made about the Hillsborough Tragedy. There were not, as he claimed, 6,000-8,000 ticketless fans. Cohen was emphatically wrong when he claimed that Sheffield Wednesday’s Hillsborough Stadium was used week-in week-out without incident. And the reason none of the English newspapers last Sunday discussed the “6-8,000 who showed up without tickets” is because they didn’t exist. The vast majority of English journalists and pundits know better because they’ve taken time to study the facts rather than to believe the lies told by The Sun and the South Yorkshire Police.

    Sure, there were a very small minority of ticketless fans at the ground. And sure, some of the supporters were drunken (as at any football game or sporting event), but the fact of the matter is that Cohen is living in the 80s with the inaccurate statements he’s spewing out.

    The Liverpool supporters were a victim of a combination of mistakes by the South Yorkshire Police (for failing to notice that the central pen was overcrowded while the pens to the left and right had room for more spectators, as well as not directing the Liverpool fans who came through the turnstiles away from the central pen), Sheffield Wednesday Football Club (Leppings Lane was ill-suited to admit the 10,100 fans, had too few turnstiles and the club failed to fix those and other issues between 1981-1989 even though they were well aware of them) and the Football Association (for deciding to play the semi-final match at Hillsborough despite previous crushing incidents).

    Cohen’s History of Blaming Liverpool Fans For Hillsborough
    Cohen’s comments last week aren’t the first time he’s created controversy on American airwaves regarding Hillsborough. On December 5, 2006, he appeared on the Fox Football Fone-In TV show on the U.S. network Fox Soccer Channel and claimed that Liverpool fans were responsible for Hillsborough. He then apologized on the December 12 episode of Fox Football Fone-In, but the damage was clearly already done.

    In April, 2007, he again blamed the Liverpool fans for causing the Hillsborough Disaster, this time on his radio show.

    He may have apologized on Fox Football Fone-In December 12, 2006, but his views haven’t changed one iota — rendering his 2006 apology virtually meaningless.

    Comparisons to Kelvin MacKenzie
    Cohen’s misinformed views about what caused the Hillsborough Disaster are similar in context to those of Kelvin MacKenzie.

    On April 19, 1989, MacKenzie, the former editor of The Sun newspaper published a sensationalized account of what happened at Hillsborough. MacKenzie’s newspaper that day alleged that ticketless and drunken Liverpool F.C. fans were responsible for the disaster, having supposedly tried to fight their way into the stadium by rushing the turnstiles and attacking policemen outside the ground.

    It’s taken 20 years of education in the United Kingdom to try to get the public to understand what was the real cause of the Hillsborough Disaster.

    Then in November 2006, just days before Cohen said basically the same thing, MacKenzie again claimed that drunken Liverpool fans caused the disaster.

    “I’m still reading the same old stuff about who’s responsible. And it’s the police, it’s the stadium, it’s whatever,” said Cohen in the April 13 radio episode. Cohen then inferred that the Liverpool fans don’t take responsibility for their own actions regarding the events that led up to the Hillsborough Tragedy. Despite his December, 2006 apology, he obviously hasn’t changed his controversial beliefs and he continues to appear on the Fox Football Fone-In show week-in week out.

    It’s fitting that on the April 13 episode of the Fox show, it was co-host Nick Webster who paid tribute to the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough Disaster in a pre-recorded segment at the end of the show. Cohen wasn’t included.

    Conclusion
    Twenty years after the Hillsborough Disaster, we’re still hearing the same old lies about what happened on that fateful day. It’s time for people to educate themselves about what really happened and stand up against those who fabricate misinformation. For our current generation and future generations, we owe it to them and the 96 who died to tell the real truth of what transpired in Sheffield on April 15, 1989.

    To learn more about what really happened at the Hillsborough Disaster, read the Interim Taylor Report, and visit the Hillsborough Football Disaster and Hillsborough Justice Campaign websites.
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    #2
    Never heard of him

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      #3
      Something really should be done about him.
      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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        #4
        Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
        Something really should be done about him.
        i think harm will come to him soon

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          #5
          Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
          Something really should be done about him.
          Originally posted by elvoz View Post
          i think harm will come to him soon
          One can only hope. Never heard him but I have read enough to decide he deserves whatever he gets. Cunts like this propagate the lies and myths still to this day.

          His employers need to be told as well.
          Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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            #6
            Originally posted by Skillz View Post
            One can only hope. Never heard him but I have read enough to decide he deserves whatever he gets. Cunts like this propagate the lies and myths still to this day.

            His employers need to be told as well.
            anyone know where to email?

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              #7
              You can e-mail the show here [email protected]. In the process of trying to find a way to e-mail the **** directly but the website is slow as fook. Hopefully due to all the pissed off Reds going there to set him straight.
              When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him

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                #8
                The full article posted is fantastic, never mind what that prat has to say.
                Forwards.......

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                  #9
                  World Soccer Daily is a very big program in the USA with a huge following and this guy has a lot of influence over the perceptions and understandings of the growing American following of 'Soccer' in general and EPL in particular.

                  Even though many in the UK will never have heard of this guy it's important to react to him and his show in the same way as Liverpool supporters reacted to The S#@.

                  If he is not stopped it could have a terrible affect on the image of Liverpool Football Club in the USA. I cannot belief that the club, especially with American owners, does not take any action, possibly even legal action, to protect our integrity and the clubs image.

                  Besides the importance of the USA market from a financial perspective and the fact that we have American owners it's just plain wrong not to rigorously protect our reputations and image and the victims of this tragedy just because it's not in the UK. We are a global club and we need to protect our reputation globally.

                  The timing of this latest rant is particularly galling, the 20th anniversary is a poignant moment for all Liverpool Supporters and especially the victims of those who died (RIP). In many ways his rant is even worst than The S#@s lies because the information has been around for 20 years, not 20 hours, proving everything he claims to be factually wrong.

                  As a side note, I would urge everyone to write to co-host, Nick Webster, who claims to be a Liverpool supporter and seems reasonably intelligent on the few occasions I have heard this show to resign.

                  By staying with the show he legitimizes the lies being made by this **** and I just cannot understand how he can remain on that show if he really is a Liverpool Supporter.

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                    #10
                    Post questions to American pundit who blames Hillsborough on fans

                    An american "soccer" pundit called Steven Cohen has been blaming Liverpool fans for the Hillsborough disaster saying 8000 ticketless fans turned up at the last minute and rushed the gates & that the ground had never had any problems in the past. The original story:-



                    The story above is a bit to long to post on here as it has several extracts from the Taylor report to highlight Cohen's lies.



                    The story above is a follow up about how he refused to change his story when given the chance.

                    The guy has been invited onto a talkshow to answer football question from fans, I think we should post as many Hillsborough related questions/comments as possible.

                    Post questions here:-

                    Last edited by ukfootballfan101; 21-04-09, 01:24 PM.

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                      #11
                      That's exactly what he wants so I wouldn't bother asking him a thing.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                        That's exactly what he wants so I wouldn't bother asking him a thing.
                        I know what you mean......... but if he's not challenged and corrected (preferably proffers an apology) then we will always hear these lies.

                        Tell people when they're wrong, not angrily but reasoned, backed with facts and you'll be surprised just whose mind can be changed.



                        OFF TOPIC(ish)

                        I read Cloughie apologised for his comments in his autobiography, can someone confirm this for me please?
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                          #13
                          Webster is a tool as well, just nothing like Cohen. as for being a Red, we he claims he is but he wears a different shirt each week on the phone in and I have seen him in Utd gear so think that says it all about him...

                          Incidently, Cohen was killed praising us last night for our support in the quarter final, said he was so impressed that 4,000 of us could out sing the 49,000 (yes what a clued-in analyst he is) chelsea fans.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Oberon View Post
                            I know what you mean......... but if he's not challenged and corrected (preferably proffers an apology) then we will always hear these lies.

                            Tell people when they're wrong, not angrily but reasoned, backed with facts and you'll be surprised just whose mind can be changed.



                            OFF TOPIC(ish)

                            I read Cloughie apologised for his comments in his autobiography, can someone confirm this for me please?


                            This post from RAWK by Rushian, posted around the time Clough died, sums it up very well.


                            The apology is a complicated issue.

                            For one his comments in the book (and further embellished with more slurs on TV) came 5 years after the disaster and 4 years after the Justice Taylor Report where the full facts of the disaster were examined and Liverpool fans exonerated, with the Judge taking particular effort to disparage the specific charges later repeated by Clough (if the fans weren't late and ticketless they would't have died - to be followed on TV with they were drunk and they killed their own).

                            He was invited to apologise for his remarks in 1994 he point blankedly refused, causing massive hurt to the families of the 96 (I know someone who visited the Hammonds and they were utterly crestfallen at having the conduct of their dead son questioned). In fact when questioned on the outrage and hurt he had caused one of his remarks was:

                            "I'd have thought they were all too busy stealing hubcaps and car radios to read my book"

                            During his appearence on the Clive Anderson show it was Clough and no one else who refused to step back in the light of the overwhleming evidence of the true nature of the disaster and it was Clough who repeated some of The S*n's outrageous slurs.

                            His remarks opened up a whole new front that those who detested scousers and our fans were all too happy to join. The likes of Ian Woolridge and the Daily Mail jumped in and basically said the Taylor Report was a tissue of lies and a cover up - it had to be, Brian Clough was there and he knows. The fact is that Clough was not at any stage anywhere near the back of Leppings Lane.

                            It was particularly hurtful as many of the families had only just started the healing process and the truth of what happened that day was slowly filtering intot he consciousness of the media and public - Clough's remarks wiped away much of the progress in one drunken quip. It set back the quest for justice many were still pursuing.

                            The apology came in 2001 and was forced out on him by members of this forum and RAOTL. Reds found out he was going to be 4-4-2's new feature columnist and there complaints. The editor Matt Snow said Clough was entitled to his opinion. This caused further outrage and after much email correspondence (and Snow being sent a copy of Phil Scraton's book The Truth) he realised that the "opinion" couldn't be held by a columnist of Britain's major football magazine. With the help of Pat Murphy (radio 5 journalist and Clough's ghostwriter) and the Clough family they persuaded him to make an apology.

                            It was good enough for some people but for many the tone of the apology smacked of expediency to keep the column. The "it wasn't my fault - it was the view at the time" line it took totally flew in the face of all accepted knowledge of the disaster in 1994.

                            It's the lateness, tone and circumstances of the apology which has led many decent Reds I know to treat it as worthless.
                            Screaming from beneath the waves...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jonymadness View Post
                              Webster is a tool as well, just nothing like Cohen. as for being a Red, we he claims he is but he wears a different shirt each week on the phone in and I have seen him in Utd gear so think that says it all about him...

                              Incidently, Cohen was killed praising us last night for our support in the quarter final, said he was so impressed that 4,000 of us could out sing the 49,000 (yes what a clued-in analyst he is) chelsea fans.
                              Does webster claim he is? I thought it was the previous guy Nick something else Geber maybe that was?

                              Webster is a fool, and a yes man
                              Cohen is a complete *******.

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