Gerrard: next year could be our year

[dww]

Kuyt and Benayoun arent in the same class as Berbatov and Tevez. Which is why we paid a combined £16m for them, while Berbatov alone cost double that, and Tevez will do too, if you count the loan fee.

Whether they're worth the money is debatable, but the fact is they commanded those fees, while Kuyt and Yossi wouldnt.

I'm not sure they have had more impact this season. I don't see why reputation should be the deciding factor here and not results produced on the pitch.

[Reece]

I'd have Kuyt in my team any day over Berbatov to be fair.

[Craig_H]

I'm not sure they have had more impact this season. I don't see why reputation should be the deciding factor here and not results produced on the pitch.

But reputations are largely built on what the player has done. You rarely get a player who has a reputation for being brilliant, without having done something on the pitch to build that reputation.

If you were offered a straight swap, Berbatov and Tevez for Yossi and Kuyt, would you seriously turn it down?

[red g]

But reputations are largely built on what the player has done. You rarely get a player who has a reputation for being brilliant, without having done something on the pitch to build that reputation.

If you were offered a straight swap, Berbatov and Tevez for Yossi and Kuyt, would you seriously turn it down?

I would bit yer hands off......then sell Berba for 20million and buy back Yossi and Kuyt

[Rich]

Berbatov just doesn't do it for me.

And while I agree with your point about United having more match winners, I think their win this year is more down to their previous experience and larger squad (and a sprinkling of luck)

Tevez leaving United could also backfire as they'd probably replace him with another expensive striker - Benzema perhaps?!

Hopefully next year we'll have the tremendous experience gained from this year, plus a couple of quality additions, and a weaker United.

[red g]

Berbatov just doesn't do it for me.

And while I agree with your point about United having more match winners, I think their win this year is more down to their previous experience and larger squad (and a sprinkling of luck)

Tevez leaving United could also backfire as they'd probably replace him with another expensive striker - Benzema perhaps?!

Hopefully next year we'll have the tremendous experience gained from this year, plus a couple of quality additions, and a weaker United.

not forgetting if portugese cunt face goes to real madrid as well

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And hoping the manager sees this too.

Me too,which is why I put it in bold

[dww]

But reputations are largely built on what the player has done. You rarely get a player who has a reputation for being brilliant, without having done something on the pitch to build that reputation.

If you were offered a straight swap, Berbatov and Tevez for Yossi and Kuyt, would you seriously turn it down?

I'd be pretty 50:50. I'd think Yossi and Kuyt scored more goals this season. I think that Berbatov in particular has only been good because Ronaldo and Rooney offer so much off him. For us I suspect he would get in the way of Torres.

[BG1973]

It's about matchwinners mate, pure and simple. They have 4, we have 2.

If we sign Tevez, not only do we increase ours, but we reduce their's too. Bit like a 6 pointer match.

Precisely.

We've all debated about who could come in but above all they have to be a major goal threat.

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I'd be pretty 50:50. I'd think Yossi and Kuyt scored more goals this season. I think that Berbatov in particular has only been good because Ronaldo and Rooney offer so much off him. For us I suspect he would get in the way of Torres.

Berbatov in our team would ruin us imo....our team is built on a work ethic and a togetherness, Berba maybe talented but he is 1 bad apple and not sure Kuyt would be appreciative of putting in so much hard work only to see Berbatov puffing on a fag waiting by the goalline,

[Craig_H]

Alternatively, Kuyt might appreciate the title winners medal that he'd possible win, if we'd had a goalhanger like Berbatov to convert some of the chances that the likes of Kuyt himself have often missed.

[dww]

Berbatov in our team would ruin us imo....our team is built on a work ethic and a togetherness, Berba maybe talented but he is 1 bad apple and not sure Kuyt would be appreciative of putting in so much hard work only to see Berbatov puffing on a fag waiting by the goalline,

That is a large part in what makes me undecided. Although to be fair Rooney and Tevez put in huge shifts to make him work for United. I'm almost 100% sure at some stage Craig has made the argument that the best player for one team is not the best for all teams during the millions of how many of our team would get into their team threads.

[Vermilion]

Alternatively, Kuyt might appreciate the title winners medal that he'd possible win, if we'd had a goalhanger like Berbatov to convert some of the chances that the likes of Kuyt himself have often missed.

I feel this has been a watershed season for Kuyt, scoring the amount of goals he has from the positions he's played, seems better equipped for the Prem to me now

We need others to weigh in more regularly though, if Yossi can start the season as he finished this one for instance there's extra goals in the bag right there, a few headed goals from our defenders at corners too would help, lots to improve on, and all things that we are capable of improving on.

Add to that a couple of good buys and we won't be far away, maybe even 1st.

[Craig_H]

That is a large part in what makes me undecided. Although to be fair Rooney and Tevez put in huge shifts to make him work for United. I'm almost 100% sure at some stage Craig has made the argument that the best player for one team is not the best for all teams during the millions of how many of our team would get into their team threads.

I have indeed. More due to what kind of players each respective side already has and where it is strong. For example, Carrick is a very good CM but wouldnt get in our side - that doesnt make him bad, it just means we're very strong in CM.

In terms of matchwinners, we're not strong, however.

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I have indeed. More due to what kind of players each respective side already has and where it is strong. For example, Carrick is a very good CM but wouldnt get in our side - that doesnt make him bad, it just means we're very strong in CM.

In terms of matchwinners, we're not strong, however.

Gerrard 24
Torres 16
Kuyt 15
Benayoun 8
Keane 7

Ronaldo 26
Rooney 20
Tevez 15
Berbatov 14
Vidic 7
Nani 6


If we can assume that Agger will score about same as vidic next year and our front 2 will score about same as those ****s next year ( think we can gt a few more actually)

then to me the difference is 1 match Winner, and maybe another 1 from the bench