Insua

[flyboy]

was skinned on numerous occasions by sidney govou and only with aurelios help was valencia contained.theres no doubt about his attacking qualities but defensively he is suspect.dont get me wrong the kid is good this is not his time yet.

[Kenneth]

was skinned on numerous occasions by sidney govou and only with aurelios help was valencia contained.theres no doubt about his attacking qualities but defensively he is suspect.dont get me wrong the kid is good this is not his time yet.

[DannyMan2006]

was skinned on numerous occasions by sidney govou and only with aurelios help was valencia contained.theres no doubt about his attacking qualities but defensively he is suspect.dont get me wrong the kid is good this is not his time yet.

A confident Insua is good enough to play now. But he's a young kid not used to dealing with a loss of form and as such has struggled of late. I guess with this in mind it could be argued that he is not ready to be first choice for Liverpool.

I doubt there is anyone who would disagree with me saying he will become a very good player, but to get there he needs to play games. In an ideal situation he could maybe have been loaned out a couple of years a go and then learnt how to cope with the situation he is going through now.

I could say the same about a few of the young lads. We all remember the debut of Plessis v Arsenal and he looked like an exceptional young player. Looking back now, we should probably have loaned him out in the summer to continue his progression. Instead Rafa kept him in the squad and even started him in a couple of games. He was that poor I think Rafa took him of aqt half time and he never really got another look in until the Arsenal game.

I think one problem with Rafas lack of relationship with some other managers, is that we are less likely to find a decent loan option for our younger players. One player that I would send straight out on loan is Stephen Darby. fouth choice RB now and needs experience to have any chance of getting near our first team again. No Carling Cup games left and no dead rubber European games. Hard to see where the next game is going to come from for our younger players.

[flyboy]

A confident Insua is good enough to play now. But he's a young kid not used to dealing with a loss of form and as such has struggled of late. I guess with this in mind it could be argued that he is not ready to be first choice for Liverpool.

I doubt there is anyone who would disagree with me saying he will become a very good player, but to get there he needs to play games. In an ideal situation he could maybe have been loaned out a couple of years a go and then learnt how to cope with the situation he is going through now.

I could say the same about a few of the young lads. We all remember the debut of Plessis v Arsenal and he looked like an exceptional young player. Looking back now, we should probably have loaned him out in the summer to continue his progression. Instead Rafa kept him in the squad and even started him in a couple of games. He was that poor I think Rafa took him of aqt half time and he never really got another look in until the Arsenal game.

I think one problem with Rafas lack of relationship with some other managers, is that we are less likely to find a decent loan option for our younger players. One player that I would send straight out on loan is Stephen Darby. fouth choice RB now and needs experience to have any chance of getting near our first team again. No Carling Cup games left and no dead rubber European games. Hard to see where the next game is going to come from for our younger players.

We are in a position where we cant afford to develop players by throwing them in the starting 11,its not the stage for them to do so as such you are right that he needs to be loaned out , but unfortunately dossena has failed miserably and aurelio is injury prone.i do believe rafa has aurelio(when fit)ahead of insua which is why insua played against arsenal .its a position we need to address hopefully in the next window

[pondus]

We are in a position where we cant afford to develop players by throwing them in the starting 11,its not the stage for them to do so as such you are right that he needs to be loaned out , but unfortunately dossena has failed miserably and aurelio is injury prone.i do believe rafa has aurelio(when fit)ahead of insua which is why insua played against arsenal .its a position we need to address hopefully in the next window

You mean splashing out £15 mill on a new left back?

Yeah, that would make perfect sense

[el matador]

insua has fantastic potential but he has several areas that need a lot of work especially his defending.

Positionally he isnt great and is often too near the centre backs and thus open to the left to right long pass to the winger.

He is poor in one on one situations and doesnt seem to anticipate that what the winger might do. When defending, the defender is supposed to make the attacker do exactly what he wants by positioning his body intelligently but insua seems to be exactly the opposite. he waits for the attacker to do his thing and tries to react to it by which time its too late.

He often gets caught 'square on' in one on ones and that is often why we see him off balance in the first couple of paces he takes as if he is going to fall over.

he doesnt track back well enough and lets his marker go. In these positions you need to take responsibility and do the best for the team but he leaves the dirty work to someone else.

All in all i think he could be a fabulous player for us but he needs to work on the defensive side of his game if he is to nail down the no.1 spot for us but no questioning the lads potential.

[dww]

People have madly contradictory demands on young players - we need them to come through but magically be fully formed when they reach the first XI. I don't think that Insua would learn anything useful on loan - he is already a good player and he will learn far more with us playing with our players in our style. With Aurelio back to fitness he can also has competition/cover now so I think he is in the ideal place to develop.

Unsettling the squad by bringing in another LB which isn't a big problem strikes me as borderline madness. If we let Dossena go a utility defender (in the mould of Arbeloa) might be nice but it is far from a priority.

[Rich]

People have madly contradictory demands on young players - we need them to come through but magically be fully formed when they reach the first XI. I don't think that Insua would learn anything useful on loan - he is already a good player and he will learn far more with us playing with our players in our style. With Aurelio back to fitness he can also has competition/cover now so I think he is in the ideal place to develop.

Unsettling the squad by bringing in another LB which isn't a big problem strikes me as borderline madness. If we let Dossena go a utility defender (in the mould of Arbeloa) might be nice but it is far from a priority.

Nail on head.

People moaning about young players not getting a chance and as soon as one is given a chance in a fairly low risk position these same people say he's not good enough!!

Crazy

The guy has talent and could well become a very, very good player, he's only going to do that by playing at a high level which he's unlike to get if on loan, so we'd have to sell him then and buy him back when he's made it for £15m. Great!

[The Birdman]

insua has fantastic potential but he has several areas that need a lot of work especially his defending.

Positionally he isnt great and is often too near the centre backs and thus open to the left to right long pass to the winger.

He is poor in one on one situations and doesnt seem to anticipate that what the winger might do. When defending, the defender is supposed to make the attacker do exactly what he wants by positioning his body intelligently but insua seems to be exactly the opposite. he waits for the attacker to do his thing and tries to react to it by which time its too late.

He often gets caught 'square on' in one on ones and that is often why we see him off balance in the first couple of paces he takes as if he is going to fall over.

he doesnt track back well enough and lets his marker go. In these positions you need to take responsibility and do the best for the team but he leaves the dirty work to someone else.

All in all i think he could be a fabulous player for us but he needs to work on the defensive side of his game if he is to nail down the no.1 spot for us but no questioning the lads potential.

Seriously mate are you taking the piss??
Who do you think you are? or are you some footballing expert posting under a different name to preserve your anonimity??

So to summerise in your opinion Insua -

A. Isn't great positionally, he plays too close to the centre halfs.
B. Poor in one on one situations.
C. Gets caught square in one on one situations.
D. Doesn't track back and lets someone else do his dirty work.

I really should take the time to argue with you but that would show up your massive lack of knowledge so all I'll say is Rafa has picked him as our 1st choice left back all season and Maradonna picked him and gave him his 1st international cap in a must win game for Argentina but what do they know compared to you.
After slagging the lad you then try and claim he is a fabulous player.


P.S Having read it back I apologise for what appears to be rather agressive tone of post.........

[BobTheCharmer]

Insua is a ****ing good player, end of.

[el matador]

Seriously mate are you taking the piss??
Who do you think you are? or are you some footballing expert posting under a different name to preserve your anonimity??

So to summerise in your opinion Insua -

A. Isn't great positionally, he plays too close to the centre halfs.
B. Poor in one on one situations.
C. Gets caught square in one on one situations.
D. Doesn't track back and lets someone else do his dirty work.

I really should take the time to argue with you but that would show up your massive lack of knowledge so all I'll say is Rafa has picked him as our 1st choice left back all season and Maradonna picked him and gave him his 1st international cap in a must win game for Argentina but what do they know compared to you.

After slagging the lad you then try and claim he is a fabulous player.


P.S Having read it back I apologise for what appears to be rather agressive tone of post.........

all of the above points are valid.

He does play too close to the centre halves, that's why time and time again united used the left to right ball to valencia who had a lot of space.

He is very poor one on one. Valencia gave him a tough time against united, bendtner gave him a tough time against arsenal when he was up against him. Valencia is a decent winger but not world class and as for bendtner he is a centre forward playing out wide.

He always looks off balance when his attacker takes the ball past him and is caught square too often. He did it time and time again against valencia and he also was woeful against fiorentina. He doesnt anticipate that the winger is going to try and get past him although he isnt short on pace he is lacking in basic defensive technique and anticipation.

when Lyon scored the winning goal it was his attacker that put the cross in for the winner. He got done with a quick one two and didnt track (govou i think it was) back and he had all the time in the world to pick out the lad for the winner. This isnt the first time he hasnt tracked back either, last season i think it was against fulham away - we lost a goal because he simply didnt track his man back and he scored. He has a habit of leaving his markers.

i havent made this up - just go back and look at the footage. All of the above points are not meant as criticisms of him - they are instead weaknesses to work on.

As for playing for argentina, i think another maradona has used a lot of players for this qualifying campaign so the caps are being handed out like confetti. Its rather strange that a 19/20 yr old trying to establish himself in the liverpool 1st team should win a debut cap for argentina in such a massive game.

Yes, i think he has the potential to be a very good left back for us but he has to iron out the defensive weaknesses in his game to really make his mark.

[The Erectile Banana]

People have madly contradictory demands on young players - we need them to come through but magically be fully formed when they reach the first XI. I don't think that Insua would learn anything useful on loan - he is already a good player and he will learn far more with us playing with our players in our style. With Aurelio back to fitness he can also has competition/cover now so I think he is in the ideal place to develop.

Unsettling the squad by bringing in another LB which isn't a big problem strikes me as borderline madness. If we let Dossena go a utility defender (in the mould of Arbeloa) might be nice but it is far from a priority.

Spot on.



Insua is a young player who still has much to learn but he is obviously talented and can only improve more by playing with us.

[nineteen]

We are in a position where we cant afford to develop players by throwing them in the starting 11,its not the stage for them to do so as such you are right that he needs to be loaned out , but unfortunately dossena has failed miserably and aurelio is injury prone.i do believe rafa has aurelio(when fit)ahead of insua which is why insua played against arsenal .its a position we need to address hopefully in the next window

Bolloxology! The truth is the absolute opposite. We are in a position where we have little choice but to develop players by throwing them in the starting 11. Our annual transfer budget is prohibitive enough that we cannot afford to go out and buy top class players every year. Until such time as our revenues drastically increase, we will have no choice but to supplement the one or two new players each year with developing players from reserves.

[BobTheCharmer]

Bolloxology! The truth is the absolute opposite. We are in a position where we have little choice but to develop players by throwing them in the starting 11. Our annual transfer budget is prohibitive enough that we cannot afford to go out and buy top class players every year. Until such time as our revenues drastically increase, we will have no choice but to supplement the one or two new players each year with developing players from reserves.

I hope we're never in a position to just buy in top class players for every position. Part of the fun and enjoyment of football is introducing young players and watching them develop. Part of the argument for have a ****ing 7strong bench was to introduce home grown players.

[The Birdman]

all of the above points are valid.

He does play too close to the centre halves, that's why time and time again united used the left to right ball to valencia who had a lot of space. - He is meant to tuck in next to his CH, the least dangerous man is the one furthest away from the ball so by the time they switch it to his right winger everyone shuffles across, if he wasn't tucked in teams would do to him what they did to Arbeloa a lot which is play balls down inbetween the full back and centre half like Chelsea did all the time in last years home CL game (for just one example) and like we do to Utd, all our success comes from balls played between Vidic and Eva. What Insua is doing is 100% correctand is taught from an early age

He is very poor one on one. Valencia gave him a tough time against united, bendtner gave him a tough time against arsenal when he was up against him. Valencia is a decent winger but not world class and as for bendtner he is a centre forward playing out wide. - To quote Glen Johnson "I got past Ashley Cole and put some crosses in, it doesn't mean he is a bad defender" Valencia didn't put 1 dangerous cross in, the Rooney header had no pace on the ball in fact Valencia is the new Jermaine Pennant, Arsenal caused him problems because they cause everyone problems with their brand of attacking football

He always looks off balance when his attacker takes the ball past him and is caught square too often. He did it time and time again against valencia and he also was woeful against fiorentina. He doesnt anticipate that the winger is going to try and get past him although he isnt short on pace he is lacking in basic defensive technique and anticipation.Valencia didn't have the better on Insua, 1 stood up cross and 1 shot in 95 mins

when Lyon scored the winning goal it was his attacker that put the cross in for the winner. He got done with a quick one two and didnt track (govou i think it was) back and he had all the time in the world to pick out the lad for the winner. This isnt the first time he hasnt tracked back either, last season i think it was against fulham away - we lost a goal because he simply didnt track his man back and he scored. He has a habit of leaving his markers.The Lyon goal is Lucas's man, check it again, Lucas gets attracted to the ball and Insua's man plays in the midfield runner, nothing to do with Insua, Carragher was woefully out of position and let it run past him to be tapped in

i havent made this up - just go back and look at the footage. All of the above points are not meant as criticisms of him - they are instead weaknesses to work on.

As for playing for argentina, i think another maradona has used a lot of players for this qualifying campaign so the caps are being handed out like confetti. Its rather strange that a 19/20 yr old trying to establish himself in the liverpool 1st team should win a debut cap for argentina in such a massive game.
Dossena was Italy's first choice left back, Aurellio has just been called up again to the Brazil squad, Insua has kept them both out of the team, too say his Argentian cap is cheap or 'strange campaign' is off the mark, if Argentina had lost that game they were out and Maradonna would have lost his job and he picked and trusted Insua.

Yes, i think he has the potential to be a very good left back for us but he has to iron out the defensive weaknesses in his game to really make his mark.

- He has just turned 20 and cost us £1.5 million a few years ago, I don't get your bashing of him - he has more assists than Johnson and 1 less goal and is massively less experienced but still people including you see fit to criticise him