Should Rafa be replaced by Guus Hiddink?

[Kenneth]

There were ****ing loads saying it.

And the only ones he wanted to join? Come on!! It's nice when he says all that but you have to be ridiculously naive to believe it.

There weren't '****ing loads' saying it.

I think he did want to join us. Wanted to plan in England and thought a big club with lots of Spaniards and a Spannish manager was the best place to go. Not romantic, just logical.

[Chris]

There weren't 'loads' saying it.

I think he did want to join us. Wanted to plan in England and thought a big club with lots of Spaniards and a Spannish manager was the best place to go. Not romantic, just logical.

Yes there were.

And wanting to join us is a bit different from being the only club he wanted to join. But anything to discredit the manager eh?

[the rev leeroy brown]

So you wanna sack a manager that could get a mediocre team to play above their natural level? Good call.

who, on this seasons performances suggest he and the team fluked last years good finish, yes.

[einar]

who, on this seasons performances suggest he and the team fluked last years good finish, yes.

No. The last 5 years suggest that the last 10 games are a fluke. He also got a rather crap team to win the CL.

The simple fact is he has never been able to compete in the transfer market with Man U or Chelsea, and yet everyone expects him to compete with them on the pitch. That is just not fair. Sacking him now would be utter madness.

[ronanm]

I'd take Roy Hodgson.

Just what I was thinking!

[Guest]

Operation wasn't even a member on here when Torres joined so he wouldn't know whatever people on this forum were saying.

[the rev leeroy brown]

No. The last 5 years suggest that the last 10 games are a fluke. He also got a rather crap team to win the CL.

The simple fact is he has never been able to compete in the transfer market with Man U or Chelsea, and yet everyone expects him to compete with them on the pitch. That is just not fair. Sacking him now would be utter madness.

he's had 1 very good year, 2 bad years and 2 decent yeras IMO. and as for the money arguement which i wont get into, he has had an extraordinary amount to spend but has wasted a lot of it. yes there have been some good buys but a lot of poor ones.

[Guest]

he's had 1 very good year, 2 bad years and 2 decent yeras IMO. and as for the money arguement which i wont get into, he has had an extraordinary amount to spend but has wasted a lot of it. yes there have been some good buys but a lot of poor ones.

That's completely false mate, when will you all ever understand basic maths.

He's done exceptionally well with the money he's been given, that is the only fact relating to money. He had a budget of roughly £20m net to spend each season and he's managed to buy players of the calibre of Torres, Mascher, Alonso etc ... just by wheeling and dealing.

Add to that the fact that when Parry was here, it was well documented how slow our former chief executive was and how many deals went off the radar just because he wasn't as quick to move in.

[Pablo]

That's completely false mate, when will you all ever understand basic maths.

He's done exceptionally well with the money he's been given, that is the only fact relating to money. He had a budget of roughly £20m net to spend each season and he's managed to buy players of the calibre of Torres, Mascher, Alonso etc ... just by wheeling and dealing.

Add to that the fact that when Parry was here, it was well documented how slow our former chief executive was and how many deals went off the radar just because he wasn't as quick to move in.

Agree, ludicrous comment from Leeroy. He has "the baddest math in the whole damn town, badder than old king kong".......

[the rev leeroy brown]

That's completely false mate, when will you all ever understand basic maths.

He's done exceptionally well with the money he's been given, that is the only fact relating to money. He had a budget of roughly £20m net to spend each season and he's managed to buy players of the calibre of Torres, Mascher, Alonso etc ... just by wheeling and dealing.

Add to that the fact that when Parry was here, it was well documented how slow our former chief executive was and how many deals went off the radar just because he wasn't as quick to move in.

it's not false pal, far from it. net spend ..... gross spend..... whatever. the fact is he has still spent big money on flops such as dossena, keane, babel, lucas. there is nearly 45 mill of wasted money.

[BFG]

it's not false pal, far from it. net spend ..... gross spend..... whatever. the fact is he has still spent big money on flops such as dossena, keane, babel, lucas. there is nearly 45 mill of wasted money.

You're implying it doesn't matter which figure is used when assesing performance in the transfer market and that's utter madness mate. If you don't understand the difference then you don't have the tools needed to form a reasoned opinion on it.

[red g]

it's not false pal, far from it. net spend ..... gross spend..... whatever. the fact is he has still spent big money on flops such as dossena, keane, babel, lucas. there is nearly 45 mill of wasted money.

yes but no manager in the whole world doesnt buy flops.

The difference is Ferguson and Chelsea can get away with it as they can just buy more players.

ferguson in the last couple of seasons has spent 50m+ on flops

valencia so far a flop and will be.
Nani, anthony le tallec style flop
Anderson - another verson style flop

thats 50million of floppage there.

[the rev leeroy brown]

You're implying it doesn't matter which figure is used when assesing performance in the transfer market and that's utter madness mate. If you don't understand the difference then you don't have the tools needed to form a reasoned opinion on it.

why is everybody failing to see the reasonable argument that forgetting net spend gross spend he has spent a lot of money??? 45 mill spent on 4 players previously mentioned. he could have spent that money on better players but didn't . Thats my argument.he has spent a lot of money on ****e.

[Guest]

why is everybody failing to see the reasonable argument that forgetting net spend gross spend he has spent a lot of money??? 45 mill spent on 4 players previously mentioned. he could have spent that money on better players but didn't . Thats my argument.he has spent a lot of money on ****e.

That's the price of the players, we never spent as much to 'pay' for them because we had to SELL first. Maths has never been your strongest suit is it? No offence, but this is basic stuff.

[einar]

he's had 1 very good year, 2 bad years and 2 decent yeras IMO. and as for the money arguement which i wont get into, he has had an extraordinary amount to spend but has wasted a lot of it. yes there have been some good buys but a lot of poor ones.

Lets just say I´m very glad you are not making this dissicion. Witch one was the good year?

And about the players. The only players he has bought that where first choice where: Mascher, Pepe, Torres, Johnson and Aqilani. Do you really think if Rafa could have competed with the big clubs we would still be using players like, Kuyt, Benny, Riera, N´gog(bought as a young player for the future), Voronin, Degen to name just the ones that are still here.