Should we sell Gerrard, Torres and Masher for a new beginning?

[G]

Never sell Torres,Gerrard isn't getting any younger mind and if we got 80 odd million for him and Masher I could see the sense.As long as all the money was put back in to fund several top quality players than yes I could see some sense in it.

Trade 2 top class players for 4 or 5 instantly improves the team much Like Atletico kicked on after they sold Torres to us.

Rafa wouldnt get all the money though so pointless debate,i'd much rather get rid of the yanks

[el matador]

we are in desperate need of a cash injection from somewhere especially if we dont qualify for the champions league next season.

With the revenue from the sales of the three players we could completely rebuild the team with younger talented players.

Of gerrard and torres - it would kill me the most to see gerrard leave because he is a scouser, a liverpool fan and has been one of the greatest liverpool players of all time.

He has so much for this club and i dont want to see him leave. But the potential impact of the sales money generated cannot be negated and could help rafa make us a force again - if the owners let him have all of it.

[Guest]

We don't need to 'rebuild' the team - we simply need to remove 2 or 3 players and buy more quality cover for our best players.

[Reece]

I'm already fed up enough of football as it is these days. If we start selling our best players, especially the sexy ones like Torres, than I would have had it.

[saj]

This is mental. In what bizzaro world is Lucas more effective than Mascherano at anything other than tripping over air.

What I meant was that when Lucas plays alongside Mascherano, he doesn't really do much and we effectively end up with too many defensive players. But when Masch doeesn't play and Lucas plays his role, Lucas is almost as good as Mascherano (but not better yet). In fact, Lucas is not as limited as Masch. The fact is, Masch wants out. And if we can get £30m for him then we will have done very well. He's very 1-dimensional and I can't understand why anyone would want to pay that sort of money for him.

[Bender]

where's the logic in selling our two best players ?

[EwarWoo]

This is the most pointless and demented thread I've ever seen.

You must be new, welcome

[cream]

That would be good enough for me, build our team around him.

Better still, just add Turan to our current squad. I reckon we will get him in the summer, if not January.

[MrMichael]

This is the most pointless and demented thread I've ever seen.

Wow. Even more pointless than "pee or poo"? Even more demented than "I'm a KT refugee"? That's some statement Scully

Probably fair though

Macher I can see an argument for selling, primarily if he really wants to go to Spain - we can't expect to keep some foreign players for ever and although on form he;s one of the best on the world at what he does, he's not irreplaceable. Torres and Gerrard are.

[dww]

Macher I can see an argument for selling, primarily if he really wants to go to Spain - we can't expect to keep some foreign players for ever and although on form he;s one of the best on the world at what he does, he's not irreplaceable. Torres and Gerrard are.

Disregarding his desire to go to Spain would you consider selling him now (assume we make a small profit on what we bought him for)?

I wondered whether spending all that money on a defensive midfielder was worth it and I think last season proved that with the right players around him (in particular Alonso but to some degree a taller defense with the option of bringing Sami in helped too) that it was. With the current make up of the team I do wonder whether a sale might allow us to get players who complimented one another better.

[red g]

Disregarding his desire to go to Spain would you consider selling him now (assume we make a small profit on what we bought him for)?

I wondered whether spending all that money on a defensive midfielder was worth it and I think last season proved that with the right players around him (in particular Alonso but to some degree a taller defense with the option of bringing Sami in helped too) that it was. With the current make up of the team I do wonder whether a sale might allow us to get players who complimented one another better.

i probably would, if that money would definitely be used for the team. I rate masher highly but then we desperately need some pace on the wings and an other striker.

[iseeredpeople]

In fact, Lucas is not as limited as Masch.

Mind offcially blown. Now I am not dead against selling Mascherano, especially if he wants out and someone offers silly money. But I do not understand how you can suggest Lucas is superior to Mascher in ANY respect.
Tackling? Fail.
Energy? Fail.
Passing? Fail.
Strength? Fail.
Aggression? Fail.
Winning mentality? Fail.
Fail, Fail, Fail.

The only area where Lucas really is tremendously awesome, truly one of the best in the world, is making short, safe passes sideways and backwards while near the halfway line. I'll give him that.

I hate watching him play in a red shirt, and the sooner Aquilani and Mascher are regular starters the better.

[iseeredpeople]

I'm with Saj on Mascherano, I can see Lucas replacing him effectively, Mascher is better in the tackle but Lucas is a similar passer and a very good tackler plus he can get into the box and is more compose - better value for money.

Lucas has played 54 league games, Mascher 73, and they have both scored one goal each. What is it that Lucas does in the box exactly? Hiding? Mascherano is 11 times the player Lucas is.

[MrMichael]

Disregarding his desire to go to Spain would you consider selling him now (assume we make a small profit on what we bought him for)?

I wondered whether spending all that money on a defensive midfielder was worth it and I think last season proved that with the right players around him (in particular Alonso but to some degree a taller defense with the option of bringing Sami in helped too) that it was. With the current make up of the team I do wonder whether a sale might allow us to get players who complimented one another better.

I don't think we have enough top quality players to be able to sell them lightly, that's for sure. I'd rather we hung onto him, and if he were to be sold I'd want to see a substantial profit, not a small one. But his sale wouldn't have even close to the effect that of Gerrard or Torres would at the present time, imo those would be a disaster, so if someone had to be sold I'd rather it were him.

[MrMichael]

Lucas has played 54 league games, Mascher 73, and they have both scored one goal each. What is it that Lucas does in the box exactly? Hiding? Mascherano is 11 times the player Lucas is.

Although you're exaggerating a little, I agree Masch is significantly better than Lucas. He is than most players in his position.

However, I'm not sure on current evidence that substituting the former for the latter has anywhere near the effect on our overall team play that not starting a fit Gerrard or Torres does.