The New Manager Thread

[pezzzer]

To -V- and Craig H (DJS)

Craig, Lector has explained time and again, with fact and common sense that the position we are in is a direct result of many underlining problems that surround LFC at the moment, but TRUE TO BLOODY FORM you clearly blame it all on Rafa.

Of coarse you are entitled to your opinion but your 'get rafa out' agenda is in full swing and quite nautious to everyone other than your newest member, -V-.

my main reasons, as are most LFC fans i presume for still backing rafa are simple, 4 seasons out of 5 where we have been challenging for something whilst dealing with woe-full off field antics and a limited budget when compared to chavs/manure.

More importantly he has done it with true loyalty to this club and stood his ground even when europes other big guns came callingfor his services.


Its a pity a very small majority of LFC fans like yourself havent shown the same passion for the club.

PeteBest I sallute you sir, but your wasting your time trying to talk sense to 'Get Rafa Out' mob

[vonk]

To -V- and Craig H (DJS)

Craig, Lector has explained time and again, with fact and common sense that the position we are in is a direct result of many underlining problems that surround LFC at the moment, but TRUE TO BLOODY FORM you clearly blame it all on Rafa.

Of coarse you are entitled to your opinion but your 'get rafa out' agenda is in full swing and quite nautious to everyone other than your newest member, -V-.

my main reasons, as are most LFC fans i presume for still backing rafa are simple, 4 seasons out of 5 where we have been challenging for something whilst dealing with woe-full off field antics and a limited budget when compared to chavs/manure.

More importantly he has done it with true loyalty to this club and stood his ground even when europes other big guns came callingfor his services.

Its a pity a very small majority of LFC fans like yourself havent shown the same passion for the club.

**hides**

[Guest]

To -V- and Craig H (DJS)

Craig, Lector has explained time and again, with fact and common sense that the position we are in is a direct result of many underlining problems that surround LFC at the moment, but TRUE TO BLOODY FORM you clearly blame it all on Rafa.

Of coarse you are entitled to your opinion but your 'get rafa out' agenda is in full swing and quite nautious to everyone other than your newest member, -V-.

my main reasons, as are most LFC fans i presume for still backing rafa are simple, 4 seasons out of 5 where we have been challenging for something whilst dealing with woe-full off field antics and a limited budget when compared to chavs/manure.

More importantly he has done it with true loyalty to this club and stood his ground even when europes other big guns came callingfor his services.

Its a pity a very small majority of LFC fans like yourself havent shown the same passion for the club.

[-V-]

Your newest member? What are you on about? Yes I am entitled to my opinion as are you and you are by no means right.

I think you'll find that a very large part of the Liverpool support want a change away from Rafa because they are passionate about the club and feel we can do better

[Guest]

And I might add, this club's values is sticking up for each other during good times as well as bad times. Being 'fickle' is when it's so easy to turn your back on people who made you happy.

[Craig_H]

To -V- and Craig H (DJS)

Craig, Lector has explained time and again, with fact and common sense that the position we are in is a direct result of many underlining problems that surround LFC at the moment, but TRUE TO BLOODY FORM you clearly blame it all on Rafa.

Of coarse you are entitled to your opinion but your 'get rafa out' agenda is in full swing and quite nautious to everyone other than your newest member, -V-.

my main reasons, as are most LFC fans i presume for still backing rafa are simple, 4 seasons out of 5 where we have been challenging for something whilst dealing with woe-full off field antics and a limited budget when compared to chavs/manure.

More importantly he has done it with true loyalty to this club and stood his ground even when europes other big guns came callingfor his services.

Its a pity a very small majority of LFC fans like yourself havent shown the same passion for the club.

My only 'agenda' is for LFC to be successful and i cannot see it under Rafa. I dont CHOOSE to feel this way, i dont WANT to believe that we cant succeed to our full potential under him - that's just how i feel. I cant control that, but my wishes for the future are determined by it. I want to believe that Rafa will take us to glory - i just dont, cant help that.

I dont blame it 'all' on rafa. I do, however, feel our squad is comfortably good enough to be putting teams like Wolves, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Reading and Wigan to the sword. If it was the odd game, that's normal, can happen to any team. But it's not, it's regular. Woeful football and losing to ****e sides has become the norm for us.

For what it's worth, i'm not the only one who thinks a change of manager is what's needed - check a couple of the other threads, and you'll see plenty of others share this view. Why dont you go attack their views, and imply that they're disloyal or lack passion for the club?

Quite the contrary, if i lacked passion for the club, i wouldnt give a **** that it's going down the pan. I'd just nod along happily and watch it happen, without it hurting. I'd be happy for nothing to be changed, and the failure to continue. But i'm not, because i DO have passion for the club. Not to mention the huge amounts of time i spend on the road, and the massive funds i spend, in order to go and support the club/team.

So with all due respect, just because i dont think we will be successful under Rafa, that doesnt mean i lack passion whatsoever.

I dont think any of us lack passion for the club, we just differ on how we feel the best way would be for the club to go forward and succeed.

I dont feel i deserve patronising comments like ones that imply i've 'recruited' other posters to my 'club', nor do i appreciate the notion that i have 'agendas' against anyone. I simply want LFC to succeed, and it isnt doing so. Unless i was to believe that the fortunes of the club arent in any way related to the manager it has, i have every right to feel like a change of manager would be beneficial to the fortunes of LFC, without that meaning that my passion for the club should be questioned.

[pezzzer]

[quote=Craig_H;1545789]My only 'agenda' is for LFC to be successful and i cannot see it under Rafa. I dont CHOOSE to feel this way, i dont WANT to believe that we cant succeed to our full potential under him - that's just how i feel. I cant control that, but my wishes for the future are determined by it. I want to believe that Rafa will take us to glory - i just dont, cant help that.

I dont blame it 'all' on rafa. I do, however, feel our squad is comfortably good enough to be putting teams like Wolves, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Reading and Wigan to the sword. If it was the odd game, that's normal, can happen to any team. But it's not, it's regular. Woeful football and losing to ****e sides has become the norm for us.

For what it's worth, i'm not the only one who thinks a change of manager is what's needed - check a couple of the other threads, and you'll see plenty of others share this view. Why dont you go attack their views, and imply that they're disloyal or lack passion for the club?[quote=craig-h]





Craig when will you see that WE ALL WANT GOOD FORTUNE FOR OUR CLUB ffs. Your really not getting it are you? All we are trying to tell you is that you cant solve the core of the problem by sacking one of the best managers in europe, a manager i might add who would be snaapped up by any of europes top clubs in a heart beat if we did sack him.

Its one bad season ffs craig, yes we are ALL frustrated and YES we can all Knee Jerk after a bad game like wigan, but get a grip man.

Answer me this Craig, why did rafa stay when he was offered more money and far better financial backing from real madrid etc?

Why did rafa stay when time after time the board refused to back his no1 targets?

How does rafa expect to win the league when he is financially out-muscled by more clubs than ever before?

Il tell you ****ing why, because he is LFC through and bloody through and knows that with our glorious history behind us he can create more glorious times ahead.

I think its called BELIEF craig.

Look it up mate

[Craig_H]

Re Pezzer:

Again, you seem to be implying that 'belief' is something that someone can choose to have, like it can be turned on and off like a tap. It's not. Instead of patronising comments like "Your really not getting it are you?", perhaps you could try and 'get' that belief isnt something you can consciously decide to have, or consciously decide not to have.

When did i claim that we dont all want good fortune for our club? I think i did actually say that we're all passionate about the club, but we differ on how we think success would be most likely to happen. Didnt i? Did you not get that?

You're saying about how you dont solve one of the club's core problems by sacking Rafa - well, i think you do solve the club's problem of a manager who cant succeed on a consistent basis in the PL, with his methods (IMO), by changing the manager. You can disagree with that view, but it's my opinion and i'm entitled to it.

It's one dreadful season and it's not 'kneejerk', it'd be kneejerk if losing to a **** side was something that happened to us once in a blue moon, or rarely. We've lost 9 league games this season, as well as 3 in the CL, 1 in the Carling Cup and 1 in the FA Cup (to reading, who we couldnt beat despite having two bites at the cherry). How is a reaction to 14 defeats considered kneejerk?

You ask how rafa is expected to win the league when he cant compete with other clubs - so you're clearly not reading what i'm posting. I'm not saying he should be expected to win the league. I'm saying he should be expected to have us not struggling to finish 4th and he should be expected to do better than having us on course to finish 7th. He should be expected to be able to beat sides like Wolves, Reading, Pompey, Wigan etc. Do you think our squad isnt good enough for that? If it isnt, does that mean Rafa's built a squad that's not good enough to beat those sides? Sure he hasnt been able to build a squad to challenge for the title, but has he not had the necessary tools to build a squad to beat dross? I think he has had the tools to do that, do you agree?

Either we have a squad that should be doing better than being on course for 7th place - in which case, Rafa's failing. Or we dont have a squad that should be doing better than being on course for 7th place - in which case, having inherited a squad that finished 4th, do you deem Rafa's time to have been successful, that he took that squad and turned it into one that shouldnt be doing better than being on course for 7th? You cant have it both ways, either we have a squad that should be doing better, but Rafa's been unable to achieve better. Or Rafa has taken a squad that was good enough to finish 4th, and turned it into one that's on course to finish 7th. Either way, he has to be accountable on some level, to some extent.

I know Rafa's Liverpool through and through, but that doesnt make him good enough. We're all Liverpool through and through, but does that mean we should take the LFC job?

It all boils down to whether you think Rafa will succeed in leading us to glory - i dont. I want to really badly, but if i said i did, i'd just be lying. If you do believe it, then great, that's not a problem. I dont, so let's agree to disagree and leave it there.

[-V-]

Craig when will you see that WE ALL WANT GOOD FORTUNE FOR OUR CLUB ffs. Your really not getting it are you? All we are trying to tell you is that you cant solve the core of the problem by sacking one of the best managers in europe, a manager i might add who would be snaapped up by any of europes top clubs in a heart beat if we did sack him.

Its one bad season ffs craig, yes we are ALL frustrated and YES we can all Knee Jerk after a bad game like wigan, but get a grip man.

Answer me this Craig, why did rafa stay when he was offered more money and far better financial backing from real madrid etc?

Why did rafa stay when time after time the board refused to back his no1 targets?

How does rafa expect to win the league when he is financially out-muscled by more clubs than ever before?

Il tell you ****ing why, because he is LFC through and bloody through and knows that with our glorious history behind us he can create more glorious times ahead.

I think its called BELIEF craig.

Look it up mate

You've not said a single thing that other Rafa backers have not already argued. Your just repeating the arguments, that he's the one of the best and you believe in him etc etc. Not everyone shares your belief, look around this forum, post match threads and general threads about the situation and you will find that Belief in his methods is fading fast. Better yet go see what its like in the stands and you'll see belief isn't their either.

[MrMichael]

Oh for god's sake, I'm getting so sick of some of the **** in the last few pages in this thread. Seriously though people

There's more than one way to be a "wum". Think of what it stands for. "Wind Up Merchant". There's your blatant, take-the-piss wum (Wankstand anyone), but then there's also the sort of poster who is more than capable of having a sane discussion with others, however is determined instead to take a diametrically opposite view to others then argue it forever just because they can, all the time throwing in little barbs at their "opponent" to get a rise.

Well its ****ing tedious. Stop it or else it will be stopped, that's a promise. You know who you are. The world isn't black and white, and football certainly isn't (unless you're a Geordie I guess). Fact is, this has been an appaulingly **** and depressing season. It is not in any way unreasonable for some LFC fans to have started seriously questioning the manager's position. Nor is it unreasonable for some others to maintain their support of him.... but acting like those with an alternative view are just morons is NOT ACCEPTABLE. This is a discussion forum, people are allowed to have opinions if they express them reasonably, but when they start belittling others, taking issue with the smallest things they say without cause, making jibes at them, and generally trying to turn a debate into a bunfight just to prove who is the most stubborn, enough is enough.

LFC is a subject we're all passionate about, people visit this site to read and get involved in interesting discussions between people of differing viewpoints about the club they love, not endless circular posturing interspersed with unnecessary comments about how many times people have or have not been banned. Stop comparing cock sizes for a moment and actually think about what other people are saying; you might disagree, but is their position all that unreasonable? Really? Do they not think what they do because they, like you, also love the club and want to see it succeed?

I refuse to have this forum descend once again into fracture and spite. Its not big, its not clever, and its boring as hell.

And if anyone even thinks of pm'ing me in a mardy after this post asking me to close their account or whatever I swear to god I'll make them regret it.

[little dave hedgehog]

but then there's also the sort of poster who is more than capable of having a sane discussion with others, however is determined instead to take a diametrically opposite view to others then argue it forever just because they can, all the time throwing in little barbs at their "opponent" to get a rise.

i'm confused as to who you mean here...

[MrMichael]

i'm confused as to who you mean here...

Reece.



I was trying to generalise. Mostly because I can't be arsed right now listening to the "its him, not me" whines if or when I speak to specific relevant people privately. So it refers to anyone to whom it bears a passing resemblance.

[little dave hedgehog]

you hear that reece, you rat *******???

johnny law is coming for you!

[little dave hedgehog]

Reece.



I was trying to generalise. Mostly because I can't be arsed right now listening to the "its him, not me" whines if or when I speak to specific relevant people privately. So it refers to anyone to whom it bears a passing resemblance.

well, yes, it's subjective...

[Reece]

Reece.



I was trying to generalise. Mostly because I can't be arsed right now listening to the "its him, not me" whines if or when I speak to specific relevant people privately. So it refers to anyone to whom it bears a passing resemblance.

Ooooh ya bitch!

Besides, I rarely post in the football forum nowadays for the reasons you describe. Although discovering as a mod I can still put people on ignore has been a revelation