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[red g]

Torrs was knackered, Lucas wasn't. Not rocket surgery.

lucas 69 games 1 goal.

Torres 79 games 56 goals

although not sure what rocket surgery is .....but thats not rocket science is it

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Immense typo

Intentional? Does the pope **** in the woods?

[Pablo]

Brain science

Reading that before had me in proper fits of laughter right in the middle of the office, just genius.

[Pablo]

Intentional? Does the pope **** in the woods?

Sure you meant it

One for the Duncan Jenkins dictionary I think Shaggy

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I can't believe that after all this time people still think Torres needs to be fit and fresh to win matches for us. On numerous occasions he has done nothing for 89 minutes and his only contribution to a game has been that 1 all important goal from the 1 and only chance we ever create. Anybody who thinks taking off our match winner at a time like that is the right approach is a ****ing numpty.

And its ****ing funny as hell to me that anybody would think its Torres job to create chances for the team. Bollocks, his job is to make space for himself and get on the end of them. Taking him off was signalled the end of the game for us, we were never going to win after that

Didnt surprise me one bit though, Rafa's been doing stupid **** like that all year long

No need to get personal pal.

As I said before, I suspect it was also to protect Torres from injury too.

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Sure you meant it

One for the Duncan Jenkins dictionary I think Shaggy

You've never heard the expression "it aint rocket surgery" before?? Perhaps its only common in my neck of the woods.

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Sure you meant it

One for the Duncan Jenkins dictionary I think Shaggy

For the record Pablo, my Mum once corrected me for using the expression, and I had to explain to her that it was an intentional combination of two expressions. Sorry mate, but you remind me of my mum

[Guest]

to me there are 3 games which we shoulbe be happy to get a point at playing away to

arsenal
scum
chelski

there sould be then a few more which we should go to win, but be happy with a draw away from home

everton
villa
spurs
city

aall other games we should be battering all the other teams, setting out from the get go to knock them into next week.

we never do!! we set upto contain for an hr and then up the tempo.

I dont believe Rafa's teamtalk consists of just go out and stuff these. More keep it tight and lets break them down in last 30mins.

wrong mentality imo.

We never go away to such teams and play for a draw, that's another myth! The results haven't been good but that doesn't mean Rafa tells them to go there trying to preserve a draw.

I can't believe that after all this time people still think Torres needs to be fit and fresh to win matches for us. On numerous occasions he has done nothing for 89 minutes and his only contribution to a game has been that 1 all important goal from the 1 and only chance we ever create. Anybody who thinks taking off our match winner at a time like that is the right approach is a ****ing numpty.

And its ****ing funny as hell to me that anybody would think its Torres job to create chances for the team. Bollocks, his job is to make space for himself and get on the end of them. Taking him off was signalled the end of the game for us, we were never going to win after that

Didnt surprise me one bit though, Rafa's been doing stupid **** like that all year long

Match winner of not he wasn't making enough good runs on Sunday and when he had the ball, he lost it.

[Shaggy]

Sure you meant it

One for the Duncan Jenkins dictionary I think Shaggy

Oh it went straight in there mates, straight in there

[Pablo]

For the record Pablo, my Mum once corrected me for using the expression, and I had to explain to her that it was an intentional combination of two expressions. Sorry mate, but you remind me of my mum

Bit odd, but I'm fine with that

[Vermilion]

a change in mentality and i would be happy

Hmmmm, that's very easy to say now... if a different mentality aligned to a **** transfer kitty brought poor results...saw us fall away as a force in europe and out of the top 4 in the prem consistently, then non stop attacking football wouldn't be much of a consolation for a club of our size and expectations..not for the fans, not for the media.

It's more about...for me anyway...looking at far more than this season...people who backed and believed in Rafa..some of them now say he should go...but they'll say it's not based on only this season, i fail to see how it could be based on anything but, which for me is wrong.

It's the whole club that needs fixing....not the manager. Again..only imo.

[Imy]

We never go away to such teams and play for a draw, that's another myth! The results haven't been good but that doesn't mean Rafa tells them to go there trying to preserve a draw.

My opinion is that Rafa tries not to lose first and foremost - this is is his main downfall, the Premiership unlike Italy favours the brave (hence Utd's dominance) to go to the 'lower' teams and be happy to 'control' the game and contain the opposition is not good enough.

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My opinion is that Rafa tries not to lose first and foremost - this is is his main downfall, the Premiership unlike Italy favours the brave (hence Utd's dominance) to go to the 'lower' teams and be happy to 'control' the game and contain the opposition is not good enough.

Clearly that good period last season where we did everything to win was just a blip. Now its back to the usual negative, keep possession and nothing more approach

[Imy]

Clearly that good period last season where we did everything to win was just a blip. Now its back to the usual negative, keep possession and nothing more approach

A huge part of the problem is the players, Rafa is certainly concerned that we'll concede goals and thus plays two defensive midfielders. The guys that should bring the guile are inconsistent and workmanlike.

Rafa bought the players and now must fall on his sword.