Post-Chelski-mortem.

[kev776]

Agree with some, but it's very simplistic to say just send them out and let them play, and if Rafa said what Kenny did at the bottom of your post..he would be ridiculed by all. imo.

Agreed, but I wish he would "release the dogs"

[EwarWoo]

Your WUM comment has confused me, name and shame who you think is a WUM ?
Or is a WUM somebody with a different opinion to the masses?

No.

The WUMs are the ones who were banned last season when they repeatedly jumped on every possible excuse to detract from Rafa in an abusive way in every possible thread.

i.e., the mods definition, hence the bans.

There was about 3 or 4 banned and a heap more made to pull their head in iirc.

I can't name and shame as I promptly dismissed them. It would be in the list of banned members but if you wanted to trawl through.

[kev776]

No.

The WUMs are the ones who were banned last season when they repeatedly jumped on every possible excuse to detract from Rafa in an abusive way in every possible thread.

i.e., the mods definition, hence the bans.

There was about 3 or 4 banned and a heap more made to pull their head in iirc.

I can't name and shame as I promptly dismissed them. It would be in the list of banned members but if you wanted to trawl through.

Fair point.

[Rich]

Didn't watch the game, glad I didn't. The season finally spluttered out on Thursday night, it really died long before.

End the season and sort out off the pitch issues, as much as I like Rafa I can't see him turning it around.

[kev776]

At least Carlsberg is gone, maybe our luck will change with Standard Charter hehe.

[Shaggy]

Good job I wasn't there then, you'd have seen two.

Make that three. I've been away this weekend and found somewhere to watch it in the middle of nowhere. Cheered both goals.

Anyone seen today's Torygraph? What a disgraceful headline.

"ROLLOVER SHAMES SHANKLY'S CLUB"

[gerbin11]

All I'm hoping for now is Rafa having another Valencia moment and turning the team around to give a title winning performance next year. I don't care about Europe for the next twelve months, let's concentrate on the domestic front.

[Mostar]

At least Carlsberg is gone, maybe our luck will change with Standard Charter hehe.

My thoughts exactly. I'm hoping the curse will be finally lifted.

[Armchairkopite]

Agreed, but I wish he would "release the dogs"

First half against Athletico springs to mind staright away, it also might help if we had a few pitbull terriers rather then cocker spanials.

All I'm hoping for now is Rafa having another Valencia moment and turning the team around to give a title winning performance next year. I don't care about Europe for the next twelve months, let's concentrate on the domestic front.

Aye, that Europa league should be used to bring on the kids and treated no better then the Carling Cup imo.

[sitoca]

At least Carlsberg is gone, maybe our luck will change with Standard Charter hehe.

lets hope Rafa is still around next season to enjoy this change in luck! He deserves some after all that has happen this season.

[sitoca]

First half against Athletico springs to mind staright away, it also might help if we had a few pitbull terriers rather then cocker spanials.



Aye, that Europa league should be used to bring on the kids and treated no better then the Carling Cup imo.

After all that the man has done for us, Im willing to have him for another season. Unfortunately, things doesn't look that way at the moment. I fear for him.

[Exiled_red]

Make that three. I've been away this weekend and found somewhere to watch it in the middle of nowhere. Cheered both goals.

Anyone seen today's Torygraph? What a disgraceful headline.

"ROLLOVER SHAMES SHANKLY'S CLUB"

For those that haven't
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...roll-over.html

Rafael Benítez accountable as Liverpool roll over
The urgent changes required at Liverpool might start with the message over the tunnel steps: This is not Anfield.

Championships have been decided in favour of Liverpool and others in front of the Kop but never like this. Anfield was on its back having its tummy tickled by a Chelsea team playing the game at exhibition pace.

The stubborn defiance of Manchester United means Carlo Ancelotti must wait until Sunday to celebrate a championship in England. He will. Wigan would struggle to spoil that party were they to bring their rugby team with them. The undeniable conclusion hammered out here was of one team being led and another abandoned.


In his moment of crisis following the Champions League defeat to Inter Milan in March, Ancelotti looked first to himself for an explanation and then to everybody else for a response. His counterpart, Rafael Benítez, inverts that process. The fault for Liverpool's demise lies not with him but the owners, the bankers, the chairmen, the board, the stewards, the ball boys, blah, blah.

Ancelotti gave Liverpool 30 minutes of this game. Generosity comes easily with victory. Liverpool were never in it. The damning verdict on Liverpool's season was given by the steward at the gate. And that was on the way in. Well, what do you reckon today? "I don't care," he said. "There is nothing doing for this team anymore."

The indifference of those with Liverpool in their hearts condemns Benítez to his bootstraps. He walked into the post-match press conference with a smile on his face after parading around the pitch with the Liverpool family. Maybe he knows something we don't. At least Jamie Carragher had the decency to look embarrassed as he limped across the field in his sandals and suit.

Benítez resisted all questions about his future, saying only that in the past two years the responsibility for running this club had been his alone. "That is not normal." He awaits a meeting with the chairman this week. He could not name which day Martin Broughton would designate for Liverpool duty. He is busy with BA for most of the week, apparently.

Benítez has become one of the structural impediments to recovery at Liverpool. He plays cat and mouse with the emotions of the fans for reasons known only to himself while leaving a trail of dubious clues as to what the future might hold. Meanwhile, as England's most decorated club shrink from view, Tottenham and Manchester City gather at the gates to fight for the ground Liverpool have surrendered.

Chelsea were not even made to fight here, which shames the club that Bill Shankly built. And to think that on that insane night five years ago in Istanbul, Benítez allowed the idea to pollinate that he might be the man to fill Shanks's boots. He couldn't lick them now.

Ancelotti is a different matter. Managing in the house of Abramovich requires tact as well as well as daring. He was told by expert opinion that his tenure at Stamford Bridge would be short after the Jose Mourinho show blew through Stamford Bridge. The boss let the Moscow hairdryer go at that pivotal meeting at Cobham calling to account those whose pockets he has filled. He wanted a return on his investment.

Ancelotti impressed in the immediacy of the Mourinho eclipse. He accepted with grace a result earned deservedly by his nemesis. Chelsea looked like a team who had reached the limit of their potential that night, or perhaps worse, a team who were in decline. The draw at Blackburn was not the emphatic response for which Abramovich was seeking. The phone-ins groaned with calls for Ancelotti's head.

Those same constituents were screaming his name at Anfield, though it took the intervention of Ray Wilkins to help their voice get through. "Carlo, they are asking for a wave," Wilkins said, interpreting English football culture from the dugout. Wave he did. It was that kind of afternoon.

This has not been a vintage season. Liverpool were never contenders. United tried their best not to be before Christmas and Arsenal showed their glass jaw too many times. Chelsea's win at Anfield completed the double over Liverpool, the same medicine handed out to Arsenal and United. On those grounds alone Chelsea deserve the major prize.

It does not mean they start favourites next year. United will not be so vulnerable again and Arsenal will be stronger for the additions planned over the summer. The future for Liverpool is not so clear. The mood around Anfield yesterday was surreal, as if the occasion were loaded with significance but all were sworn to secrecy.

Benítez did not look interested. Perhaps wife Montse has spotted something nice in the Juventus brochure. Steven Gerrard looked fed up before he passed the ball to Didier Drogba for Chelsea's opening goal. Was he playing his last before the Kop? Nothing can be discounted. This was not Anfield.

Shocking article

[Shaggy]

So the headline online is different to the one in the paper.

Either way the article is a joke. I can't pretend I was upset about the defeat yesterday - I wasn't - but there's no way we "rolled over". What a ****ing joke. Chelsea have taken 18 points out of 18 in games against us, United and Arsenal. We've lost to about 17 other teams this season, yet this clown thinks we rolled over for Chelsea? We didn't need to roll over...just turn up.

[Leyton388]

**** the press unless the title goes to the old toilet they always have a moan or a pop. ****ing hate the press in this country!

[Exiled_red]

So the headline online is different to the one in the paper.

Either way the article is a joke. I can't pretend I was upset about the defeat yesterday - I wasn't - but there's no way we "rolled over". What a ****ing joke. Chelsea have taken 18 points out of 18 in games against us, United and Arsenal. We've lost to about 17 other teams this season, yet this clown thinks we rolled over for Chelsea? We didn't need to roll over...just turn up.

The link to it from the main Telegraph sports page is:

Roll-over shames Shankly's club

but that's the actual title of the article when you open the page.

I find it particularly ironic because most of the press have been saying how ****e we've been all season, and when we lose to the best team in the league it's because we rolled over.

I really hate the press in this country