The State of Liverpool FC – An Idiots Guide

[Ryan_Derrick]

I'm not entirely sure that Hicks' true intention is to sell. I'm of the opinion that this is just a front to get a 12 month extension from the banks, he's trying anything to hang in there.

I still think the stupid old buffoon thinks he can somehow keep the club & build the stadium, then sell it off for a massive profit.

He's even trying to include 'future profits' into the sale price.

[Stanbull]

What I can't get my head around is they bought the club for £220m in 2007 when we had £44m of debt, even if they borrowed the full £220m how the hell are we in debt of £378m 3 years later?

We haven't gone mad in transfers far from it

I'd welcome the Serious Fraud Office have a look at what has happened as I bet millions have found their way into the personal bank accounts of these fraudsters in the form of management and consultancy fees

[merlboo]

off the Liverpool Way




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Originally Posted by Arl arse

Its because we're not allowed to protest during the match, a time when the whole world would hear our disgust in the two greedy cunts who are killing our club.

Yet the PC brigade shout us down because it might have an adverse effect on those poor sensitive players who have to concentrate really hard on playing, or they might get knocked out of all major cup competitions in the early rounds and only finish 7th in the league if the fans dare show any hate for the ****s that have ripped the heart out of our club while they are on the field.

So we have been reduced to a few of us staying behind singing to no one, while the TV cameras have moved on and the stadium manager has turned the lights off.

But its all good as long as we dont upset those poor sensitive multi millionaire's out there on the pitch.

Isn´t that the truth!



timao replies


I admire SOS, when I have been over I have taken part in the protests and marches myself, BUT it is not enough simply because the great majority of the fans are so passive.

I am fascinated by the stance taken by some arguing that the support for the team on a matchday is more important than protesting about the future of the club.

There are tons of things wrong about football here in Brazil but the one thing they do have right is that the institution (the club) is far more important than its current incarnation (the team).

I have contected with various people to ask if they want to be put in touch with fans organisations at Corinthians, Hicks' previous 'adventure' into football to see if something could be organised, if they had some suugestions etc. I had ONE reply voicing fears that the tactics adopted by Corinthians to get rid of previous management (after relegation in 2007 they stormed the AGM and effectively locked in the board members) would be 'too radical'.

Frankly, who gives a toss about the team when the very future of the club is at stake. As a group of fans we are too nice and too tame when it comes to the owners.

At the same time, we are, as the article rightly points out, constantly engaged in petty crap about

Rafa or the yanks
Rafa or the yanks
Rafa or the yanks blah blah blah

As if saying it often enough will somehow make it any less pathetic or any more true.

One Corinthians fan told me a few weeks ago that 'the badge is everything, the team are just a temporary representation of that badge. If you don't understand that, you get what you deserve'.

A bit strong perhaps, but sadly not that wrong

[kev776]

off the Liverpool Way




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Originally Posted by Arl arse

Its because we're not allowed to protest during the match, a time when the whole world would hear our disgust in the two greedy cunts who are killing our club.

Yet the PC brigade shout us down because it might have an adverse effect on those poor sensitive players who have to concentrate really hard on playing, or they might get knocked out of all major cup competitions in the early rounds and only finish 7th in the league if the fans dare show any hate for the ****s that have ripped the heart out of our club while they are on the field.

So we have been reduced to a few of us staying behind singing to no one, while the TV cameras have moved on and the stadium manager has turned the lights off.

But its all good as long as we dont upset those poor sensitive multi millionaire's out there on the pitch.

Isn´t that the truth!



timao replies


I admire SOS, when I have been over I have taken part in the protests and marches myself, BUT it is not enough simply because the great majority of the fans are so passive.

I am fascinated by the stance taken by some arguing that the support for the team on a matchday is more important than protesting about the future of the club.

There are tons of things wrong about football here in Brazil but the one thing they do have right is that the institution (the club) is far more important than its current incarnation (the team).

I have contected with various people to ask if they want to be put in touch with fans organisations at Corinthians, Hicks' previous 'adventure' into football to see if something could be organised, if they had some suugestions etc. I had ONE reply voicing fears that the tactics adopted by Corinthians to get rid of previous management (after relegation in 2007 they stormed the AGM and effectively locked in the board members) would be 'too radical'.

Frankly, who gives a toss about the team when the very future of the club is at stake. As a group of fans we are too nice and too tame when it comes to the owners.

At the same time, we are, as the article rightly points out, constantly engaged in petty crap about

Rafa or the yanks
Rafa or the yanks
Rafa or the yanks blah blah blah

As if saying it often enough will somehow make it any less pathetic or any more true.

One Corinthians fan told me a few weeks ago that 'the badge is everything, the team are just a temporary representation of that badge. If you don't understand that, you get what you deserve'.

A bit strong perhaps, but sadly not that wrong

How very true.

[Chrono]

As far as I am concerned it's now very clear to me exactly what is happening with the club where as before it was hard to see the forest for the trees. I agree with the comments from both the guys off The Liverpool Way. The future of the club has to come before every other distraction and think perhaps now the in-fighting might end for a common goal but I think that will not be achieved without something "too radical".

[Jack D Rips]

I'm not entirely sure that Hicks' true intention is to sell. I'm of the opinion that this is just a front to get a 12 month extension from the banks, he's trying anything to hang in there.

I still think the stupid old buffoon thinks he can somehow keep the club & build the stadium, then sell it off for a massive profit.

Whilst logic says that it very much looks that way, can you actually believe that RBS would fall for something like that?

RBS: Ok Tom & George, we want £100M knocked of this here loan by 30th June 2010.

Tom & George: Well we're going to sell the club. We just erm need another year to do it.

RBS: Thats ok then. See ya'll this time next year

[barnes10]

Whilst logic says that it very much looks that way, can you actually believe that RBS would fall for something like that?

RBS: Ok Tom & George, we want £100M knocked of this here loan by 30th June 2010.

Tom & George: Well we're going to sell the club. We just erm need another year to do it.

RBS: Thats ok then. See ya'll this time next year

when you add on the fact that RBS could make what, 15 - 20 mill out of an extension then its going to be worth the risk to them isnt it. its a margin call.

[Jack D Rips]

when you add on the fact that RBS could make what, 15 - 20 mill out of an extension then its going to be worth the risk to them isnt it. its a margin call.

I dont think that is the view banks are taking right now

[kev776]

I dont think that is the view banks are taking right now

RBS might, thats how they got in such a ****in mess.

[barnes10]

I dont think that is the view banks are taking right now

but if the alternative is to push us into adminstration now, do you think they'd be prepared to extend a few times - albeit citing that they've been prudent in the amount they want the debt reduced by - to protect their reputation for when they do pull the plug?

[Jack D Rips]

but if the alternative is to push us into adminstration now, do you think they'd be prepared to extend a few times - albeit citing that they've been prudent in the amount they want the debt reduced by - to protect their reputation for when they do pull the plug?

No I dont. I believe that Dumb & Dumber intend to sell and I believe that the bank believes that too. What was the point of appointing an independent chairman otherwise

[Jack D Rips]

RBS might, thats how they got in such a ****in mess.

And do you think thats how they are going to get out of it?

[barnes10]

Fair enough Jack D. Here's hoping

[Jack D Rips]

Fair enough Jack D. Here's hoping

Exactly barnes10. Its a game of opinions I suppose. I just pray that mine turns out to be right, or we are royally ****ed.

[Kronenburg1892]

I want to see what happens over the transfer window. If it turns out that we have to sell our major assets, or the team becomes weaker not stronger, which I fear the outcome will be. Then I have absolutely no problem with radical action, even if we get relegated. This has to stop, and we must do something about it. Next season won't be about the football...

...time to wake up.