Rafa Benitez Leaves Liverpool

[Shaggy]

Who's this bloke who broke the Rafa story? Cos it all gathered steam after Tony Barrett's article. You mean it's TB? Or someone else?

Sounds like total pie in the sky to me.

[Neil Young]

With a nett result of winning what of late?

Your argument appears to be we should keep sacking managers because Real do. Despite a lack of success even with transfer funds we can only dream of having.

Hmm, that's a good point. How about...

Since we have far less to spend on transfers than Real Madrid then maybe we should sack managers at a far faster rate so balancing out the equation.

That's sure to work.

[CJ]

so the rumours doing the rounds are that we have new owners lined up and that they wanted Rafa out but wanted G&H to do it so they didnt alienate the fans as soon as they took over. Not sure if anyone has already posted this but just thought id let people know.

Aparently its coming from the guy who broke the story of rafa going. Makes sense in a way too, why would owners on their way out offload the manager and pay him £6m if they selling up anyway?

Whos knows if its true but thats the rumour doing the rounds at the moment.

it would make sense however i cant see it. sounds fanciful to me.

[dww]

Hmm, that's a good point. How about...

Since we have far less to spend on transfers than Real Madrid then maybe we should sack managers at a far faster rate so balancing out the equation.

That's sure to work.

[CJ]

Hmm, that's a good point. How about...

Since we have far less to spend on transfers than Real Madrid then maybe we should sack managers at a far faster rate so balancing out the equation.

That's sure to work.

it worked for newcastle and portsmouth.

lets do it.

[oldschool]

With a nett result of winning what of late?

Your argument appears to be we should keep sacking managers because Real do. Despite a lack of success even with transfer funds we can only dream of having.

No, I do not think we should keep sacking managers, Rafa had 6 years, most RM managers have 1 or 2 and winning the league isn' enough.

[Neil Young]

I don't fully understand it though. Maths and science are beyond my area of competence.

it worked for newcastle and portsmouth.

lets do it.

[Exiled_red]

And that has helped the previous Managers how? A lot of them have failed. A lot of them only survive a couple of season's, so I really don't know how it helps you. RM have spent heavily still sack Managers quickly, their expectation is you win everything or you go, obviously RM budget isn't realistic.

Real Madrid have high expectations and a high budget. Whether their expectations are realistic or not is another issue. No matter how good or expensive your squad is particularly in Cup competitions (CL included) one mistake or misjudgement can cost you which is why IMO defining your success in terms of cup competitions is wrong in my view. But Real Madrid have high expectations and have a high budget to back them up, expecting them to win the league give what they have spent isn't unrealistic. Expecting us to do so given our recent budgets is!

[Kenneth]

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that blip or loosing of grip is after having to trade at a profit in the transfer market

there may be a link there.

oh and all the trouble with the owners.

I am sure there is a link, but it's not the whole story and is a lazy explanation designed to avoid the footballing issues imo.

All the talk of funds available is completely valid. But for me, the dire football, the negative tactics, the 2CDMs at home to ****e, the daft substitutions - this is why I was backing replacing Rafa and I don't think it was directly related to funding.

[Exiled_red]

No, I do not think we should keep sacking managers, Rafa had 6 years, most RM managers have 1 or 2 and winning the league isn' enough.

But Real Madrid managers have much more money to spend and are usually starting off with a better squad than we have had. They have had title winning squads in the last few years and since then they have spent huge amounts of money.

The situation is also different because of the way the clubs are run, the system of presidents tends to lead to more regular changes of manager and success is required instantly because of the huge amounts of money spent.

[CJ]

I am sure there is a link, but it's not the whole story and is a lazy explanation designed to avoid the footballing issues imo.

All the talk of funds available is completely valid. But for me, the dire football, the negative tactics, the 2CDMs at home to ****e, the daft substitutions - this is why I was backing replacing Rafa and I don't think it was directly related to funding.

if rafa was expecting to have more money to spend then maybe it explains the lack of a striker to cover for torres etc etc

i think the bad start painted the picture it meant we had to work at being solid and this explains the formations that with aqua not being fit and then confidence being low and not wanting him to start in a team low on confidence

i think that he should have got another year but it is also true that under the circumstances the club are in he may have done all he can.

but the way it was done was **** and it wasnt done for football reasons however last season eroded his power at the club and they took the chance to get rid. remember though that the owners would have had him go a long time ago and replaced with klinsman.

[Kenneth]

if rafa was expecting to have more money to spend then maybe it explains the lack of a striker to cover for torres etc etc

i think the bad start painted the picture it meant we had to work at being solid and this explains the formations that with aqua not being fit and then confidence being low and not wanting him to start in a team low on confidence

i think that he should have got another year but it is also true that under the circumstances the club are in he may have done all he can.

but the way it was done was **** and it wasnt done for football reasons however last season eroded his power at the club and they took the chance to get rid. remember though that the owners would have had him go a long time ago and replaced with klinsman.

I think you are probably right. The owners wanted him out, for sure, although we don't know all of the politics involved. Maybe we'll hear Rafa's side re not buying a striker soon enough.

[BobTheCharmer]

ah well I see the same old drivel is being posted again today, we liverpool fans love something to moan about it seems or at least the majority do.

Rafa failed, he's flown away with a tidy sum for failing. We now move on. Its exciting.

[Exiled_red]

I am sure there is a link, but it's not the whole story and is a lazy explanation designed to avoid the footballing issues imo.

All the talk of funds available is completely valid. But for me, the dire football, the negative tactics, the 2CDMs at home to ****e, the daft substitutions - this is why I was backing replacing Rafa and I don't think it was directly related to funding.

I'm just curious to know if we'd got 4th spot (and despite our absolutely dire season we were only 4 points away) would you have still wanted him to go?

Alot of the people who were wanting him out were doing so because we didn't get 4th, but you mention the style of play rather than that, so I'm just curious to know your view.

[Kenneth]

ah well I see the same old drivel is being posted again today, we liverpool fans love something to moan about it seems or at least the majority do.

Rafa failed, he's flown away with a tidy sum for failing. We now move on. Its exciting.

I also think it's quite exciting. But the excitemnt is tempered by the need to resolve the ownership issue.