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    Roy Hodgson's footballing philosophy

    Hodgson's philosophy is shape of things to come

    Training-ground discipline puts manager's theories into practice

    By Jonathan Wilson

    Sunday, 21 February 2010

    The glimmer of a smile crosses Simon Davies's face as he is asked why Fulham are so good at keeping their shape. He had used the phrase earlier to explain how Fulham withstood a battering to beat Shakhtar Donetsk 2-1 on Thursday night, and the impression he gives is that he will have heard it said a few more times since. Type "keep", "shape" and "Fulham" into Google and you get 165,000 responses: keeping their shape is what defines them.


    It sounds so simple, and yet Fulham are palpably better at it than most sides in the Premier League. Watch Roy Hodgson's players and they have a tremendous ability to make the pitch appear smaller than it is; opponents seemingly never have time on the ball or, if they do, they have no passing options. Fulham close space with remarkable efficiency, which may not be glamorous but it is effective.

    It is greatly to Fulham's credit – and to Birmingham's – that the League meeting of the two sides at Craven Cottage today is probably the first irrelevant game of the season. Both are in that clump of a dozen sides whose first priority each season must be to avoid relegation, and with 11 points separating Fulham from the bottom three, and Birmingham three points ahead of them, both are surely safe now. Qualification for Europe through the League remains just about conceivable, but for both the FA Cup probably represents a more realistic route.

    So how do you keep your shape? There is, unfortunately, no easy solution – no mind game, no visualisation technique: it just comes from boring repetition on the training field. "We work on it every day," said Davies. "Every day in training is geared towards team shape on the match-day coming up. I've been working with the manager three years now and every day is team shape, and it shows. We have a little laugh about it now and again, but when he came in we were fighting relegation and now we're in the Europa League, so you take it.

    "I don't want to give any secrets away, but he gets the 11 that he wants on a match-day and he drills everything in that he wants. It's certain drills defensive, certain drills attacking, and we work very hard at it. There are no diagrams. It's all on the pitch with the ball, nothing unopposed.

    "We do a lot of work after every game on analysis, sorting the bad things out, sorting the good things out. It's nice to know what you work hard on works so well. We're two-and-a-half years down the line now, so we're all converted; it's just working on little things now and hoping we can still get better."

    They have benefited from the form of Bobby Zamora, whose goal against Shakhtar was his 14th this season. "Last year, playing with him you could see what he brought to the team but maybe only playing could you appreciate that," said Davies. "This year, he's absolutely on fire." Zamora's other work, though, holding the ball up and creating space, remains the core of his job; goals seem almost a bonus.

    The same basic principles which were learned at the legendary coaching course run by Allen Wade, the then technical director of the Foot-ball Association, have sustained Hodgson since his first front-line coaching role, with the Swedish side Halmstad 36 years ago. Then the approach was radical, unpalatably so to the local taste, at least until it began to bring success.

    According to the Swedish academic Tomas Peterson, Hodgson "threaded together a number of principles, which could be used in a series of combinations and compositions, and moulded them into an organic totality – an indivisible project about how to play football. Every moment of the match was theorised, and placed as an object lesson for training-teaching, and was looked at in a totality." He taught players, in other words, how to keep their shape.

    Sweden's national technical director, Lars Arnesson, was an implacable opponent of the "English style", saying it "stifled initiative, and turns players into robots". Peterson prefers to compare it to listening to Charlie Parker after Glenn Miller or viewing Picasso after classical landscapes. "The change does not just lie in the aesthetic assimilation," he wrote. "The actual organisation of art and music happens on a more advanced level." Naïvety is gone, and there is a second order of complexity.

    Zamora probably didn't have any of that in mind as he thrashed that brilliant winner on Thursday, but Hodgson's method is still making beautiful music today.


    So in brief - its hardly off the cuff attacking football but rather a pre-practiced set of attacking and defensive drills. It almost seems a bit robotic but after 6 years of rafa's robotic and unattractive football im up for robotic and slighly exciting.

    From the gist of the article Roy doesnt come from the maradona 'make it up as you go along' school of football but name me one team that doesnt practice attacking or defensive drills.

    We are just going to have to wait and see but it seems as if it took the fulham players a while to get to grips with his ideas and with arsenal up first, a heavy defeat or bad result will add a lot of not needed pressure.
    [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

    #2
    a bit more here...

    Roy Hodgson philosophy...

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    Just seen this interesting inteview by the BBC, in it Hodgson outlines his approach to management...................



    Whether it is rumours of unrest in the England camp or outright revolution in the French squad, one of the ongoing themes of this World Cup has been player power.

    Fulham boss Roy Hodgson, part of the BBC Sport team in Cape Town, has been in charge of 15 sides during his 34-year managerial career - including Switzerland, Finland and the United Arab Emirates at international level.

    Hodgson, who led the Swiss to the last 16 of the 1994 World Cup in the United States, tells BBC Sport about his own man-management strategies and how he tries to keep his players happy.

    KEEPING PLAYER POWER IN CHECK

    "There is no hard and fast rule to handling input from players but there are certain principles that I adhere to.

    "One of them concerns my team selection and footballing philosophy - the way I want my team and individuals within it to play.

    "The manager has to take the lead and say 'this is the way we are are approaching this game and this is how we need to work'. It is not a particularly democratic situation.

    As a club manager, I canvas the opinions of senior players on whether we travel to games by train or plane, our choice of hotel, or when we start training.

    "But there are lots of other areas where it is very wise to ask players for their opinions. Doing that generates some good feeling within the squad and does not make the players feel like they are being treated as children.

    "As a club manager, I canvas the opinions of senior players on whether we travel to games by train or plane, our choice of hotel, or when we start training.

    "It would be foolish, in my opinion, to impose rules like training at 10am if the players feel it would aid their preparation to train later or earlier. But, in a group of 20-odd players, it is impossible to take everyone's opinion into account.

    "Sometimes I say to the captain or vice-captain 'I'm thinking of this, can you have a word with the players' but it would never have anything to do with tactics."

    CLUB OR COUNTRY

    "You get more time in terms of preparation as an international manager because you have less daily pressures and more time to really study the opposition and put dossiers together.

    "However, you know your squad better at club level because you see them most days. You still know the players well as an international manager because you have studied them so often in games and in training, but you are not with them on such a regular basis.

    "I think leadership and management are fairly constant whether you are a club manager or an international one. It is down to the way you deal with people, the emphasis you lay on things like respect and the adherence to self-discipline and team ethics.

    "Those are the sort of things that are going to be important to you whether you are with a club team or a national team. I do not think there is a great deal of difference."

    DEALING WITH UNHAPPY PLAYERS

    "I always tell my players what I want them to bring to the team. Their job then is to interpret the roles they have been given.

    "I would always hope my players are happy because I am a great believer in putting round pegs in round holes. If you move players around and play them out of position, then there is a risk they might react negatively.

    The scenario Raymond Domenech faced is not one I have been in - it is not one you come across very often in football.

    "As a manager, I live in a very confrontational world. I never seek it but it is impossible to avoid because football is an emotional game sometimes. If confrontation rears its ugly head, you cannot shy away from it.

    "Once things get as far down the line as they did with the France squad at the World Cup, then, as manager, you are in trouble whatever you do.

    "The scenario Raymond Domenech faced is not one I have been in - it is not one you come across very often in football - but the problems had been escalating for months and he was in a no-win situation."

    THE WORLD CUP PRESSURE-COOKER

    "At a World Cup, players are in a cage, albeit a luxurious one. They cannot lead their normal lives and are away from their families, friends, wives, girlfriends and children.

    "Of course, it is nice to be at a World Cup but when you are out there taking part in one, then the reality hits home. The players have long days with very little training, are totally immersed in football and are living on their own in a hotel room miles from anywhere.

    "As a manager, you are dealing with young men, often with young families, who are getting phone calls from their children saying 'Daddy, I miss you, when are you coming back home?'

    "You try to keep those players happy and motivated but you cannot divorce the human side of things from football because a footballer is a human being.

    "We can be harsh on players. Just because they have a particular skill does not make them machines. We need to give them allowances for the fact they might have other things going on in their life."

    KEEPING A HAPPY CAMP

    "When I was manager of Switzerland, I did the usual thing, providing games rooms for the players and allowing visits from wives and so on as much as I could.

    "You provide what you can in terms of entertainment but how many films can you watch and how many card games can you play? The longer you go on, the harder it is, so it is very important that the chemistry in the group is right.

    You need some players in your squad who are good for the group. They might not take part much in the games but they can still have an important role to play.

    "That is why you need some players in your squad who are good for the group. They might not take part much in the games but they can still have an important role to play.

    "What is important is what they bring to training, whether they retain their enthusiasm and desire when they are not getting any playing time, and whether they contribute to the general bonhomie around the place.

    "At the end of the day, it does not matter what you do, whether you are a disciplinarian or not. At a World Cup, you are basically saying to every player 'right, for the next five or six weeks you and 22 others are going to stay in a luxury hotel and have very little to do'."

    Roy Hodgson was talking to BBC Sport's Chris Bevan


    [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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      #3
      not sure rafa had unattractive football.

      it just didnt look attractive unless it all clicked then it was great.

      the crushing machine.

      i suppose he had no plan b as such.

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        #4
        this to me is the most interesting thing about roy. i'm not whinging about him getting the job. even if i wanted to, it's done. what i do want at the moment is to understand more about what he wants from this team. i am very interested to know who he wants on the field, in which positions and how he intends to use them.
        dave of mutilation

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          #5
          and another...

          ROY HODGSON:

          Creating the most competitive Fulham side ever

          Roy Hodgson took over at Craven Cottage in December 2007 with the team in deep relegation trouble after the dismal tenure of Lawrie Sanchez. The 62-year-old began to stamp his mark on the team and eventually oversaw the clubs survival with a 1-0 win over Portsmouth on the final day of the season.

          Last year the Cottagers finished 7th – their highest position ever – despite not spending vast amounts of money in the transfer market. Astute signings such as Bobby Zamora, John Pantsil and Zoltan Gera were all instrumental in the teams success, with Hodgson's philosophy of possession football marking a considerable improvement in the quality of football on show on the banks on the Thames.

          The current season has seen a continuance of the good work with the team currently knocking on the door of the Premier League top 10 as well having enjoyed a brilliant campaign in the Europa League. Hamburg await in the semi-finals of the competition.

          Gentleman of football

          Aside from having masterminded Fulham's recent upturn in fortunes, the Croydon-born manager's humility represents a breath of fresh in a sometimes egotistical profession. Hodgson's grace in both victory and defeat have made him one of the most respected managers in the game and his involvement in the training of aspiring managers has also allowed him to pass on his wisdom to a younger generation.

          Hodgson's balanced post-match comments are always an interesting insight into the game and his refusal to enter into press battles with other managers and players shows the unassuming nature of a coach that has been rumoured as a possible future England boss.

          Unearthing talent

          With the financial restrictions at Craven Cottage, the former Inter Milan has had to draw on his considerable knowledge of the European game in search for bargain buys. Brede Hangeland's transfer from FC Copenhagen and Erik Nevland's move from Dutch side Groningen are just two examples of the overseas dealings that played a major role in Fulham's push up the Premier League tree.

          Hodgson has also reinvigorated the careers of several stuttering stars. Bobby Zamora's time at Fulham has seen the striker become one of the most consistent performers in the division leading to calls for his inclusion in the England squad for the World Cup in South Africa. Dickson Etuhu's is another player that has benefited from working under Hodgson. His move from Sunderland may have raised eyebrows but the the Nigeria international has become of stalwart of the Fulham midfield, putting in a series of impressive performances.

          Tactical Awareness

          Hodgson has used a number of formational variations that have been critical to the teams success. Instead of relying on a consistent shape, he has tailored to the strongest assets of the players. Hodgson adopted a 4-4-1-1 formation after Andy Johnson was ruled out with a long term injury, giving Zoltan Gera more freedom in a central role after the Hungarian had struggled to live up to expectations in the wide positions.

          Chris Baird's use in a defensive midfield position also proved to be a masterstroke as the 28-year-old has developed into a instrumental part of the squad after finding his initial months in a Fulham shirt very difficult, in the less than suitable right-back position.

          Positive football philosophy

          Considering the financial consequences of results at both ends of the Premier League table as well as continental competitions, you can almost be forgiven for managers adopting less-than entertaining game-plans. Stoke City have established themselves as hard-tackling vertically inclined side with good effect.

          However, Hodgson has stuck to his principals of neat passing football with Fulham's current brand of play the best witnessed at Craven Cottage for many years which is credit to the hard work that he has put into the west London side.
          [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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            #6
            nothing pops into my head when i think how do his teams play.

            i wonder how long it will take to get our team how he wants.

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              #7
              one more for the road...

              Roy hodgson talks tactics - 442 video

              [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                #8
                Originally posted by el matador View Post
                one more for the road...

                Roy hodgson talks tactics - 442 video

                https://www.uefa.com/trainingground/...id=519235.html
                Hope that's not the extent of his tactical nouse.
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                  #9
                  does that mean we wouldnt paly 442 as we dont have two great forward players/

                  though i suppose kuuyt and babel are forwards really

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                    #10
                    also formations are much more fluid than they used to be years ago.

                    i suppose the dutch pioneered this?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Operation View Post
                      Hope that's not the extent of his tactical nouse.
                      im sure its not take a look at this link below. It gives all of fulhams formations in the past season with plenty of 4-4-2 and some 4-4-1-1 and the occasional 4-2-3-1.

                      It either suggests that he has a lot of knowledge about formations and when to play what against whom giving his teams a lot of flexibility (which we didnt have under rafa).

                      Alternatively, it could be read that he doesnt know which is his best formation and just tried them all.

                      I'd go with the first.
                      [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                        #12
                        [quote=el matador;1639614]a bit more here...

                        Roy Hodgson philosophy...

                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                        As a club manager, I canvas the opinions of senior players on whether we travel to games by train or plane, our choice of hotel, or when we start training.

                        "But there are lots of other areas where it is very wise to ask players for their opinions. Doing that generates some good feeling within the squad and does not make the players feel like they are being treated as children.

                        "As a club manager, I canvas the opinions of senior players on whether we travel to games by train or plane, our choice of hotel, or when we start training.

                        "Sometimes I say to the captain or vice-captain 'I'm thinking of this, can you have a word with the players' but it would never have anything to do with tactics."

                        DEALING WITH UNHAPPY PLAYERS

                        "I always tell my players what I want them to bring to the team. Their job then is to interpret the roles they have been given.

                        "I would always hope my players are happy because I am a great believer in putting round pegs in round holes. If you move players around and play them out of position, then there is a risk they might react negatively.

                        THE WORLD CUP PRESSURE-COOKER

                        "As a manager, you are dealing with young men, often with young families, who are getting phone calls from their children saying 'Daddy, I miss you, when are you coming back home?'

                        "You try to keep those players happy and motivated but you cannot divorce the human side of things from football because a footballer is a human being.

                        "We can be harsh on players. Just because they have a particular skill does not make them machines. We need to give them allowances for the fact they might have other things going on in their life."



                        above all, the above quotes seem to be a million miles from Rafa's Approach and of all the players to benefit most i can see Stevie G responding to Roys style of management.

                        I am genuinely excited
                        Last edited by red g; 01-07-10, 08:06 PM.
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                        Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                        Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by el matador View Post
                          im sure its not take a look at this link below. It gives all of fulhams formations in the past season with plenty of 4-4-2 and some 4-4-1-1 and the occasional 4-2-3-1.

                          It either suggests that he has a lot of knowledge about formations and when to play what against whom giving his teams a lot of flexibility (which we didnt have under rafa).

                          Alternatively, it could be read that he doesnt know which is his best formation and just tried them all.

                          I'd go with the first.
                          he said he always likes 4 at the back. Rafa would go with 3 occaisonaly.

                          once you have 4 not sure how many ways you can really deploy your players infront and call it a different formation?

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                            #14
                            It seems like Roy understands how people work as well as teams.
                            Was muß, das muß.

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                              #15
                              he certainly knows how i work
                              dave of mutilation

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