Would you sack Hodgson?

[Neil Young]

Your joke was really baaaaad to be fair.

[kris90210]

No, the reason for last season was'nt a lack of cover for Torres alone, it was the loss of form of many of the players, this lack of cover for Torres thing is just a red herring, used to have a go at Rafa.

Even without buying a striker, all things being equal, we should have finished higher, i don't belive another striker would have made a big difference last season, too many players were just crap, that was the main reason for last seasons dismal showing, and this belief that one more striker would have made everything ok is plain wrong. imo.

With respect, I disagree. Obviously, loss of form to key players was an issue. But I think that is more of a red herring than the lack of having decent backup to Torres. You look at the players who were out of form:

Gerrard - all season long (after he first got injured)
Carragher - although he recovered for the second half
Mascherano - for a couple of months
Skrtle - but Agger came in after Christmas and was excellent
Yossi - weak compared to the end of the previous season, but I personally think he overperformed then.

And that's it really. The other players more or less performed as expected. Gerrard is the only one who was dreadful all season.

After Christmas, we still had PLENTY of time to claim a top 4 spot (even if the title was well beyond us by then). When Torres played he scored goals, when he didn't, the team looked toothless.

Going forward we rely on Torres and Gerrard to make things happen and score goals. Torres gets injured, Gerrard is out of form and last season is what happens. So how do you counter that? You need to have players who can come in and make a difference in attacking positions. It's what Carragher, Gerrard and Torres have all been saying in the press. We had David N'gog and that's it. We had no one who could come in and take the pressure off Gerrard when Torres wasn't fit.

And for the record, I am not using this as a stick to beat Rafa with. I am a huge Benitez fan. But he has made mistakes (which he has admitted to himself), and this was one of his biggest. I think he would have put it right this Summer, but he really should have sorted this 2 years ago.

[Guest]

so you supported the new board last year and the year before and you supported the Americanss for the last 3 years as they have kept Rafa.

So Basically the only reason you dont like the board is becuase they sacked Rafa and I presume they would have got your 100% support if rafa was in job?

jeez man, you have serious Rafa-itis.

The board have been assembled by H & G to serve their interests, not the club's. I'm sure you'd have backed Sam Allardyce if he was appointed manager anyway.

[-V-]

Hey Fredo, are you still hoping we get relegated this season??

Just so you can prove your point

[kris90210]

Why would you '100% back' someone who's been appointed by people who are serving the interests of the owners? You've got to love the sheep mentality of certain Liverpool supporters.

we all want what is best for the club. Not backing the manager is going to have a negative effect on the club. So it's in our interest to to back him. Simple as that.

Give the guy a chance ffs

[EwarWoo]

Then you're defacto supporting the board because they made the decision to sack Rafa and appoint a puppet.

Leaving out the puppet, because that's just wild conjecture, this means if they sack Roy and appoint another manager you won't support that manager either as they've been appointed by this board, so you would be de facto supporting the board?

What if Rafa came back for whatever reason, would you not support him after being appointed under this board?

And any players signed under their reign, do they get your support?

[Guest]

we all want what is best for the club. Not backing the manager is going to have a negative effect on the club. So it's in our interest to to back him. Simple as that.

Give the guy a chance ffs

Oh I'm going to give him a chance he deserves it but I'm not enamoured by his appointment at all and I'll be on his back at every opportunity, much like the Rafa bashers did.

[Guest]

Leaving out the puppet, because that's just wild conjecture, this means if they sack Roy and appoint another manager you won't support that manager either as they've been appointed by this board, so you would be de facto supporting the board?

What if Rafa came back for whatever reason, would you not support him after being appointed under this board?

And any players signed under their reign, do they get your support?

as if they'd be stupid enough to do that.

[Scratch]

Oh I'm going to give him a chance he deserves it but I'm not enamoured by his appointment at all and I'll be on his back at every opportunity, much like the Rafa bashers did.

So basically, you miss Rafa and can't accept anyone else into your life.

[EwarWoo]

as if they'd be stupid enough to do that.

I know, it would be stupid, you're very correct

Are you wanting Torres to be sacked because he's a puppet appointment by the board?

[Guest]

So basically, you miss Rafa and can't accept anyone else into your life.

Not at all I just can't see myself supporting a club which is being owned by a pair of ****wits and a bunch of two faced servants serving their interests. There are moral grounds and principles that I would never trade for anything. It's my prerogative who I want to support or not and it shows that I care deeply for my club. Glory isn't the 'be all and end all' - this club is much more than that.

[red g]

The board have been assembled by H & G to serve their interests, not the club's. I'm sure you'd have backed Sam Allardyce if he was appointed manager anyway.

I would have to back any Liverpool manager as i am a liverpool fan.

Rafa got my 1000% support......until he started doign **** then i strarted complaining as he was doing rubbish.

Unlike you fredo I back my manager based on how i think they are performing and as such will give a new manager a clean slate.

[EwarWoo]

Not at all I just can't see myself supporting a club which is being owned by a pair of ****wits and a bunch of two faced servants serving their interests. There are moral grounds and principles that I would never trade for anything. It's my prerogative who I want to support or not and it shows that I care deeply for my club. Glory isn't the 'be all and end all' - this club is much more than that.

Glory isn't the be all and end all, but it shows you care deeply for the club because you don't support it now the cowboys have sent us screaming down the league?

[Guest]

I would have to back any Liverpool manager as i am a liverpool fan.

Rafa got my 1000% support......until he started doign **** then i strarted complaining as he was doing rubbish.

Unlike you fredo I back my manager based on how i think they are performing and as such will give a new manager a clean slate.

Fair enough but don't tell me what to do or not.

[Guest]

Glory isn't the be all and end all, but it shows you care deeply for the club because you don't support it now the cowboys have sent us screaming down the league?

The only way to show that you care is to oppose whatever this pair of ****wits decide to do. It would be surrendering to their wishes to accept their decisions. That's a simple and rational stance that I've adopted lately.