Reina's nightmare for Spain v Argentina

[CJ]

i didnt play ice hockey

[Daniel 7]

I hate international football. I still lay a lot of blame for Dudek's loss of form squarely at how ****e his defence was in the 2002 World Cup, he came back a different player. Westerveld had a nightmare after Euro 2000...

Lets hope Pepe forgets this Spain nonsense. Leave it to Iker.

[CJ]

and just to make it clear. you dont do slipping training. You do work on things that actually prevent it. He may have to watch a video of his slip and his analyse what happened it could be his starting position or he didnt aniticipate something that happened.

My real point is the level of work they do is shocking really.

[CJ]

I hate international football. I still lay a lot of blame for Dudek's loss of form squarely at how ****e his defence was in the 2002 World Cup, he came back a different player. Westerveld had a nightmare after Euro 2000...

Lets hope Pepe forgets this Spain nonsense. Leave it to Iker.

the fact we had a **** goalkeeping coach didnt help either.

i wonder what our new one is like?

[Pablo]

and just to make it clear. you dont do slipping training. You do work on things that actually prevent it. He may have to watch a video of his slip and his analyse what happened it could be his starting position or he didnt aniticipate something that happened.

My real point is the level of work they do is shocking really.

It was just a heavy pitch man, you're sounding like a fool here. He lost his footing, it happens. As if he needs any training on his starting position to stop him slipping on a heavy pitch FFS!

[Fernandinho]

Would it really be that odd if they didn't work on these situations? I am not saying that I am sure that they would, but seeing as Keepers don't have to focus on as many different things as outfield players maybe they can become more specific to their cause?

[CJ]

they do work on things like this. the aim is to stop mistakes and goals. you cant stop them completely and never will but you still train to do it.

not sure why it makes me a fool having experience of this type of thing.

infact i remember speaking to my coach who went to coach some international goalkeepers and is a coach of a well respected club now that i had been slipping a bit he said to change the footwear and he said we will be doing more work on starting positions and how you stand etc

he didnt do this to stop me slipping as it was part of what we did anyway but it does in part help you minimise slipping.

not so sure why everyone thinks its rubbish that they will have a look at it. it may not take long or infact his starting position may have been right etc etc but all i say is i bet it was discussed and if possible a way to try to stop it happening again would have been discussed or will be incorparated into training.

[Imy]

I wonder how the changes in the backroom has effected Reina? He was so used to Valero and Rafa's zonal marking (and his sweeping role), he may take some time to adjust to a new system.

[Pablo]

Would it really be that odd if they didn't work on these situations? I am not saying that I am sure that they would, but seeing as Keepers don't have to focus on as many different things as outfield players maybe they can become more specific to their cause?

You're Australian so your opinion doesn't count

[Pablo]

I wonder how the changes in the backroom has effected Reina? He was so used to Valero and Rafa's zonal marking (and his sweeping role), he may take some time to adjust to a new system.

But he was playing for Spain at the time, so how does that apply?

We're all in danger of making a mountain out of a molehill here.

[CJ]

But he was playing for Spain at the time, so how does that apply?

the majority of his training will be at Liverpool so it is possible he is experiencing a wobble. Though i havent seen any real evidence of it at LFC yet. Goalkeeping and especially in the style that Reina plays does rely on confidence if he is feeling a little less confident it can radically change how he plays ie dropping back just one yard would make his style of play much harder and it would produce more mistakes. Though one thing that so far that has made Pepe one of the worlds best in my opinion and one that is vital for playing at a big club is that his confidence doesnt seem to drop

We're all in danger of making a mountain out of a molehill here.

i am not saying its a major issue just that when someone said goalkeepers dont work on that i said they do, my point is no more complicated than that

[Pablo]

I just fail to see any link between someone being low on confidence and someone slipping over. If he'd fumbled a cross or a shot or something again I'd be worried, but he just slipped.

I will admit the pressure is on him a little now after those two mistakes.

[CJ]

I just fail to see any link between someone being low on confidence and someone slipping over. If he'd fumbled a cross or a shot or something again I'd be worried, but he just slipped.

it is possible he just slipped but from experience thhings like that get looked at they will review goals conceded and will look at can they stop that from happening again. it may be they conclude it was just one of those things it may be they look at it and see that a weakness caused it ie not being in the right place or not stood correctly.

I am not just making up that they look at it i know that in sports with less resources than football and less access to tv cameras and prozone type stuff that, that is preciesly what they do.

i am not saying that it is a major weakness in his game or a flaw. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT IT WILL GET LOOKED AT. that doesnt mean its a big deal

[CJ]

oh and on the lack of confidence doesnt cause slipping ( i dont think that is what happened by the way)

however i used to play the game a long way out of my goal and almost like a sweeper this played to my strenghts and also minimised my weaknesses however when i lost confidence for a couple of months i completely retreated and this took away what i was good at and exposed the things i was bad at but one thing confidence or a lack of it can do is it makes you think more as a goalkeeper and in my experience you do your thinking during training and when the game is quiet. Tim flowers once said on a bbc interview when he made a mistake it came from thinking about it rather than just doing. what happens is as your running or closing down you actually think is this right should i do something different and that split second thought causes hesitation when you hesistate usually your position in relation to the the ball, player and goal and how you are stood. You may not be in the correct position to accelerate again or the attacker may have sensed (unlikely as all attackers are thick well thats what goalkeepers think anyway) you have stopped and this has created a different opportunity for him and he has moved you as a keeper then need to change direction quickly while not being in the right position

from this you may slip.

i know this as it is something we identified when i lost my confidence.

the level of impact this has will depend on how you play it just so happened for me that it meant it exposed everything i was crap at.

not saying pepe is dropping form or that he has an issue just replying to the specific posts that goalkeepers dont work on not slipping no matter how indirectly they do this or that a lack of confidence can lead to a keeper slipping more.

[Neil Young]

I just fail to see any link between someone being low on confidence and someone slipping over.

Maybe it was Freudian slip.