Appointing Roy - A huge mistake

[Shaggy]

well he is more qualified than Mclaren

also

He isn't though ...McClaren's CV is way better than Roy's.

[Neil Young]

and a uefa cup final...

over acheivement for sure.

I can see there's merit in the argument. Overachieving in Europe, even though the league performance was disappointing...

Hang on though, you can say that about Benitez too.

So I can't see what's so much better about Hodgson except he's not Benitez.

[cream]

I don't know, we should ask the people who seem to be agreeing with this, such as the ones calling for an Englishman to replace Capello. I've had a look at the possible candidates and I've not been surprised to see Hodgson as high on that list. Would he earn that post on merit alone? Of course no, but he's English.

We should do a swap then.

[red g]

He isn't though ...McClaren's CV is way better than Roy's.

how do you work that out? when he get the job he had about 5yrs experience at boro and thats all.

Roy has managed around the globe and the premiership as well. won countless trophies of little significance and is on the uefa committee which means absoultely **** all as well

[Exiled_red]

I don't know, we should ask the people who seem to be agreeing with this, such as the ones calling for an Englishman to replace Capello. I've had a look at the possible candidates and I've not been surprised to see Hodgson as high on that list. Would he earn that post on merit alone? Of course no, but he's English.

Here's some interesting info:

Last English manager to win English top flight league title: Howard Wilkinson 1991-92

Last English manager to win FA Cup: Harry Readknapp 2008, previous: Joe Royle 1995

Last English manager to win League Cup: Steve McClaren 2004, previous: Brian Little 1996

Last English manager to win a European trophy: Bobby Robson (with Barcelona) 1997

Now I'm not saying that all English managers are poor, I'm saying there are very few at the top of the game, there are perhaps a variety of reasons for this (such as it being difficult for them to get top jobs). Lets hope Roy can be a success for us

[red g]

Here's some interesting info:

Last English manager to win top flight league title: Howard Wilkinson 1991-92

Last English manager to win FA Cup: Harry Readknapp 2008, previous: Joe Royle 1995

Last English manager to win League Cup: Steve McClaren 2004, previous: Brian Little 1996

Last English manager to win a European trophy: Bobby Robson (with Barcelona) 1997

Now I'm not saying that all English managers are poor, I'm saying there are very few at the top of the game, there are perhaps a variety of reasons for this (such as it being difficult for them to get top jobs). Lets hope Roy can be a success for us

last english manager to be given a chance with a top side? Roy Evans......
and how many since 91'? Hoddle, Evans and now redknapp..... is that it?

[Fredo]

how do you work that out? when he get the job he had about 5yrs experience at boro and thats all.

Roy has managed around the globe and the premiership as well. won countless trophies of little significance and is on the uefa committee which means absoultely **** all as well

I've seen that argument put forward when we appointed Roy. How great must that look on a managers' CV.

[BobTheCharmer]

I agree about Reece of course.

Re. his original statement, the opposite is also true - it seems to me that many of those who were most critical of Benitez are the most ardent supporters of Hodgson.

Echoing Reece the ****'s point, it's hard to know what their/your optimism is based on, apart from the fact he's not Benitez.

Personally I was bored to the back teeth of Rafa. So much so that had he still been here I would have struggled to tune into the games this season. It felt like he'd worn me down. But as I'd mentioned before I don't know how much was Rafa or football in general. A bit of both in all reality.

So any new manager would have filled me with optimism. Short term at least. But Hodgson is actually a manager I really respect. In two and a half seasons he did a fantastic job at a club with a small squad and small budget. He got the best out of some seasoned pro's, ones that had been disguarded by others. So given better resources what can he achieve?

Already he represents a lot of Liverpool past, good basic values, be polite, keep matters in house and try to reassure the fans wherever possible. I prefer this style to previous ones. All I want to see now is the players playing with a smile.

Maybe he'll fail and I'll hold my hands up. But then again the odds are stacked against any manager being a success here right now. All I know is I haven't missed a minute of any of our games so far and I am looking forward to seeing the new players settle in. That'll do for me right now.

[Shaggy]

how do you work that out? when he get the job he had about 5yrs experience at boro and thats all.

Roy has managed around the globe and the premiership as well. won countless trophies of little significance and is on the uefa committee which means absoultely **** all as well

That technical committee stuff is funny....Roy fans always cite that as though it's evidence of his expertise. Just like Andy Roxburgh and Gerard Houllier eh

Steve McClaren matched Hodgson's UEFA Cup achievement in leading a ****ty little club to the UEFA Cup final.

McClaren won the Dutch league with a small club, beating Ajax & PSV - that is a far, far greater achievement than winning the Elk League with FC Hurdy Gurdy or whatever it was Roy won.

[CJ]

FC Hurdy Gurdy lol

that should go in the 5 a side team names thread

[RichC]

That technical committee stuff is funny....Roy fans always cite that as though it's evidence of his expertise. Just like Andy Roxburgh and Gerard Houllier eh

Steve McClaren matched Hodgson's UEFA Cup achievement in leading a ****ty little club to the UEFA Cup final.

McClaren won the Dutch league with a small club, beating Ajax & PSV - that is a far, far greater achievement than winning the Elk League with FC Hurdy Gurdy or whatever it was Roy won.

All that being said would you really want McClaren in place of Roy?

[red g]

That technical committee stuff is funny....Roy fans always cite that as though it's evidence of his expertise. Just like Andy Roxburgh and Gerard Houllier eh

Steve McClaren matched Hodgson's UEFA Cup achievement in leading a ****ty little club to the UEFA Cup final.

McClaren won the Dutch league with a small club, beating Ajax & PSV - that is a far, far greater achievement than winning the Elk League with FC Hurdy Gurdy or whatever it was Roy won.

that was after he was appointed english manager though.......

the only english manager that should be even looked at for england is redknapp imo.

but this is about Roy and his merits anyway

personally Rafa was killing me slowly last year and i am 150% sure that we would have been awful this year to!!!

So while we have started off abysmally again, I am hoping that once Merieles and Cole are embedded in the midfield things will start to look up, both players were choosen by roy and positive Rafa wouldnt have signed them so thats a good sign.......

[Vermilion]

Liverpool look dour under Hodgson so far...there's been no reaction from the players at all...that you'd expect when a new mangaer takes over.

[Fredo]

last english manager to be given a chance with a top side? Roy Evans......
and how many since 91'? Hoddle, Evans and now redknapp..... is that it?

There's a long list of fantastic English managers who haven't been given a chance and I'm sure would do a great job.

Phil Brown
Tony Pullis
Ian Holloway
Nigel Clough
Danny Wilson
Peter Taylor
.....

[Shaggy]

All that being said would you really want McClaren in place of Roy?

Absolutely not, but I didn't want Roy either. Point I'm making is, IMO, McClaren has a better CV than Roy.