Is Hodgson the right man for LFC

[danperkins]

Why would you 'drill out' of players the best in a former manager's approach!? Any sensible coach would have built on anything positive from the previous regime, so as to avoid drastic changes.

All of Hodgson's failings are of his own undoing. He's got the basis of half a decent team but he's making it play like a mid-table side.

Wasn't the players best last season mate, far from it, was diabolical. What was it 20 losses,something like that?

Every manager has their own ways and own approach, Roy is obviously trying to put his own stamp on the team, and either its taking its sweet time, players are having problems adjusting or it just ain't working, time will tell. But regardless he should be given that chance and that time, and must get the team playing much much better than they currently are, that is clear.

[Fernandinho]

Riera was only on the fringes of the Spain side mate before he joined LFC, think he played one game late in 2007 and then wasn't called on again until late 2008, he pushed on with Spain after that and has only 16 appearances for them and now is a goner.

As for Dosenna, nobody could hardly get a youtube clip of Dosenna befor ehe joined LFC, people knew nothing about him, he had never been capped by Italy until after joining LFC, highly rated in italy so they say, but not rated anywhere else on the planet.

Aqualani for all the links to top clubs and Rafa saying if fit Aqua would have cost us 30 million sterling has only 11 caps for Italy and he's 26, since 2004 i think Aqua hasn't even manage to be fit for even half a season, he's been injury prone for 6 years now and i think in his whole club career, alot of it playing high up the pitch he has only 11 goals and 7 or 8 assists. Hottest young talent? I don't think so mate.

Poulsen was ****e for Juve but fantastic for Seville, we paid £19.4 million for Aqua for just "1" season including wages of £85,000 a week, we have paid a fraction of the Aqua cost for Poulsen who has offered more in about 7 or 8 games than Aqua did in his time at LFC.

You have got to be ****ting me. Aquilani probably did as much defending as Poulsen and Aquilani can actually use the ball. They are incomparable.

[Maxiedge]

Riera was only on the fringes of the Spain side mate before he joined LFC, think he played one game late in 2007 and then wasn't called on again until late 2008, he pushed on with Spain after that and has only 16 appearances for them and now is a goner.

As for Dosenna, nobody could hardly get a youtube clip of Dosenna befor ehe joined LFC, people knew nothing about him, he had never been capped by Italy until after joining LFC, highly rated in italy so they say, but not rated anywhere else on the planet.

Aqualani for all the links to top clubs and Rafa saying if fit Aqua would have cost us 30 million sterling has only 11 caps for Italy and he's 26, since 2004 i think Aqua hasn't even manage to be fit for even half a season, he's been injury prone for 6 years now and i think in his whole club career, alot of it playing high up the pitch he has only 11 goals and 7 or 8 assists. Hottest young talent? I don't think so mate.

Poulsen was ****e for Juve but fantastic for Seville, we paid £19.4 million for Aqua for just "1" season including wages of £85,000 a week, we have paid a fraction of the Aqua cost for Poulsen who has offered more in about 7 or 8 games than Aqua did in his time at LFC.

Alot of what you say there is true but I still stand by my original point that Poulsen is a regressive signing while the others were done for the right reasons of trying to take the club forward but eventually failed.

[danperkins]

The performances under Roy have been no different from the worst of Rafa's reign

Just more consistency - except consistently bad

I played semi-pro football as a young man organisation and positioning is ****ING EASY to get across

If someone is out of position you get off the bench and holler at the cunt to get back into position

Roy doesnt even do that

Then you have things like hardwork, commitment and pressing. We have seen non of that and that MUST come from instructions from the manager / coaching staff

If we arent doing it WHY?

If the players are under instructions to do it and arent then why isnt Hodgson addressing it again from the sidelines

We are literally surrendering possession and ground to the opposition - its ****ing madness

I have NEVER seen such a static manager when things are clearly not working on the pitch

Rafa never took months to get the defence at least some modicum of organisation

This is the WORST side I have seen in 33 years of watching LFC (BAR NONE)

Yes there have been individual performances as bad but nothing as consistantly lacking as this

We are short on so many levels its ****ing frightening

Whenever a team has come up short in the past its been for one reason or another. Evans teams lacked fight, Houlliers too negative, Rafas too rigid etc....

The team so far lacks EVERYTHING - no passion, no bite, no commitment, no shape, no organisation, no urgency, negative tactics in the EXTREME, poor overall tactical decisions

If we were seeing one of those fundamentals manifesting itself on the pitch I'd be tempering my view of Roy - but we aint

But Rafa had 6 years to get it right and to get together a squad, and get the understanding or the players, drill his strategies and ideas into them, whereas Roy has had a few months under harsh circumstances, is that not bit unfair to even remotely compare the two at this point in time?

I don't like Roy's quiet manner, i prefer a manager who shows emotion, thats just me but who am i to say what personality makes a good manager. Rafa just sat there with a poker face for every game, he showed a horrible lack of urgency and a negative approach even whilst knowing his team and players inside out and back to front, whereas Roy is just a blow in.

Its clear on here that the previous Rafa fans are ones most critical of Roy and that the previous Rafa critics are the ones defending Roy. I think thats very fair to say. People have there opinions and thats fair enough IMO, i have absolutely 100% no problem whatsoever with criticizing any LFC manager, after all we are the fans. But IMO i just don't feel its necessary to judge the man at this point, a few months down the line for me is proper order and by then if things aren't the way we want, well i literally will be whinging my ass off at Roy.

[badpiggy]

The performances under Roy have been no different from the worst of Rafa's reign

Just more consistency - except consistently bad

I played semi-pro football as a young man organisation and positioning is ****ING EASY to get across

If someone is out of position you get off the bench and holler at the cunt to get back into position
Roy doesnt even do that

Then you have things like hardwork, commitment and pressing. We have seen non of that and that MUST come from instructions from the manager / coaching staff

If we arent doing it WHY?

If the players are under instructions to do it and arent then why isnt Hodgson addressing it again from the sidelines

We are literally surrendering possession and ground to the opposition - its ****ing madness

I have NEVER seen such a static manager when things are clearly not working on the pitch

Rafa never took months to get the defence at least some modicum of organisation

This is the WORST side I have seen in 33 years of watching LFC (BAR NONE)

Yes there have been individual performances as bad but nothing as consistantly lacking as this

We are short on so many levels its ****ing frightening

Whenever a team has come up short in the past its been for one reason or another. Evans teams lacked fight, Houlliers too negative, Rafas too rigid etc....

The team so far lacks EVERYTHING - no passion, no bite, no commitment, no shape, no organisation, no urgency, negative tactics in the EXTREME, poor overall tactical decisions

If we were seeing one of those fundamentals manifesting itself on the pitch I'd be tempering my view of Roy - but we aint

You've said this before but again I'll say - the gap between what you're saying should happen easily and what Roy doesn't seem to be able to do is too great to be covered by the "he's just a **** manager" argument given the previous jobs he has had and I'd say this about any manager who has been in the top couple of football divisions.

If it's as easy as you say and Roy can't do it then he shouldn't even be managing a semi-pro team by your reasoning. So how has he managed to bluff his way into winning (****e) leagues, international management, managing in Italy and the Premiership?

There's plenty to take him to task over and I'll admit that my own hopes seem to be unravelling more with every premiership game that passes but I think your criticism - despite being on the surface one of our problems - doesn't add up.

[Shaggy]

You have got to be ****ting me. Aquilani probably did as much defending as Poulsen and Aquilani can actually use the ball. They are incomparable.

Don't know why people choose to gloss over that period at the end of last season when Aquilani was playing off Torres and doing pretty well. To say the diabolical Poulsen has contributed more is absolutely laughable.

[danperkins]

Alot of what you say there is true but I still stand by my original point that Poulsen is a regressive signing while the others were done for the right reasons of trying to take the club forward but eventually failed.

Compared to Masch he is most definitely a regressive signing but we could never get a progressive signing in that position in our current financial state.

The Masch loss, was a massive blow to the club, losing a world class player especially in the manner we did (Before the City game and Masch playing games) was a hammer blow to the club IMO. Poulsen is a better all round player but not a better player, at the moment far from it and prob never will be but he has done ok so far (handball aside), adjusting to the pace and tempo in a new team must be difficult for any foriegn player.

I don't think Hodsgon wanted to take steps back but with some seriously sub standard players there when he arrived it takes time to ship that **** out, apparently Lucas/Babel/The Greek where all goners too but we ran out of time, selling all the deadwood Roy did, intention sof selling above 3 players mentioned, getting Aqua out and Merieles and Cole in for me represents trying to move the club forward in the best way he possibly can, unfortunately takes time and money.

Jones is **** but won't play, Konch is average and would be 2nd choice but Aurelio is made out of biscuits so that is a problem, Cole and Merieles are talented although we'll see how Merieles adjusts, done ok so far, Poulsen has done ok too in a very underperforming team.

[Fernandinho]

Don't know why people choose to gloss over that period at the end of last season when Aquilani was playing off Torres and doing pretty well. To say the diabolical Poulsen has contributed more is absolutely laughable.

If memory serves me right from Feb and on didn't Aquilani have the most assists in the league? And after he fully recovered from his ankle he only missed games from illness... Surely his body would have adapted, its like going to school after school holidays and being more susceptible to the flu because your body needs to adjust to all the differnent bacteria around.... Anyway I have opened this can of worms in another thread

[danperkins]

You have got to be ****ting me. Aquilani probably did as much defending as Poulsen and Aquilani can actually use the ball. They are incomparable.

Mate 3 of Aqua assists were deflections (Discussed before)!! He was a complete and utter flop £19.4 million quid down the swanny!!, there is no way of glossing it up, he was awful and constantly injured, terrible signing no matter what way you try to spin it.

Aqua did as much defending as Poulsen? Are you serious? Aqua was a pussy and spent have the time avoiding tackles and letting the game pass him by, Aqua is much more suited to the slower ballet of the Serie A, Poulsen was not suited to Serie A, he likes the rough and tumble, only problem with himhe he lacks pace and athleticism so that means his positioning and reading of the game has to be spot on, so far he has not embarrassed himself but must adapt and improve also.

I think its fair to say when people don't like a player they will find faults in his game and look at the negatives and mistakes, and when people do like a player they will look for positives his game and concentrate of the things he does right, Lucas is a perfect example of that, i don't rate him and much prefer Poulsen to him but others will differ.

Aqua will never pay for LFC again and thank christ for that.

[Pablo]

Compared to Masch he is most definitely a regressive signing but we could never get a progressive signing in that position in our current financial state.

The Masch loss, was a massive blow to the club, losing a world class player especially in the manner we did (Before the City game and Masch playing games) was a hammer blow to the club IMO. Poulsen is a better all round player Completely disagree but not a better player, at the moment far from it and prob never will be but he has done ok so far (handball aside) Nope he's been complete ****, adjusting to the pace and tempo in a new team must be difficult for any foriegn player.

I don't think Hodsgon wanted to take steps back but with some seriously sub standard players there when he arrived it takes time to ship that **** out, apparently Lucas/Babel/The Greek where all goners too but we ran out of time good job or the squad would be even more threadbare than it is now, selling all the deadwood Roy did, intention sof selling above 3 players mentioned, getting Aqua out and Merieles and Cole in for me represents trying to move the club forward in the best way he possibly can, unfortunately takes time and money.

Jones is **** but won't play, Konch is average and would be 2nd choice but Aurelio is made out of biscuits I disagree I think Roy wouls still choose Konchesky so that is a problem, Cole and Merieles are talented although we'll see how Merieles adjusts, done ok so far, Poulsen has done ok too in a very underperforming team. Nope, he's been absolute gash

[danperkins]

Thanks for sharing, your very diplomatic and well balanced

[Fernandinho]

Mate 3 of Aqua assists were deflections (Discussed before)!! He was a complete and utter flop £19.4 million quid down the swanny!!, there is no way of glossing it up, he was awful and constantly injured, terrible signing no matter what way you try to spin it.

Aqua did as much defending as Poulsen? Are you serious? Aqua was a pussy and spent have the time avoiding tackles and letting the game pass him by, Aqua is much more suited to the slower ballet of the Serie A, Poulsen was not suited to Serie A, he likes the rough and tumble, only problem with himhe he lacks pace and athleticism so that means his positioning and reading of the game has to be spot on, so far he has not embarrassed himself but must adapt and improve also.

I think its fair to say when people don't like a player they will find faults in his game and look at the negatives and mistakes, and when people do like a player they will look for positives his game and concentrate of the things he does right, Lucas is a perfect example of that, i don't rate him and much prefer Poulsen to him but others will differ.

Aqua will never pay for LFC again and thank christ for that.

You can get any skilless brute and ask him to batter anyone who comes his way, but it takes a special footballer to create... A special footballer to see the pass nobody else can. A player like Aquilani could have brought this to us, sure he didn't defend as hard as most but he moved the ball with pace, with tempo. He played to attack, not to not lose. Also, he was good in the air, he wasn't afraid to get up and win headers, one of his assists were actually from a header back into the area for us. You dont see Poulsen doing any of this. All he offers is the crab walk infront of our defence...

[Chazza]

Nope, he's been absolute gash

Sums it up nicely

[Roboklopp]

But Rafa had 6 years to get it right and to get together a squad, and get the understanding or the players, drill his strategies and ideas into them, whereas Roy has had a few months under harsh circumstances, is that not bit unfair to even remotely compare the two at this point in time?

I don't like Roy's quiet manner, i prefer a manager who shows emotion, thats just me but who am i to say what personality makes a good manager. Rafa just sat there with a poker face for every game, he showed a horrible lack of urgency and a negative approach even whilst knowing his team and players inside out and back to front, whereas Roy is just a blow in.

Its clear on here that the previous Rafa fans are ones most critical of Roy and that the previous Rafa critics are the ones defending Roy. I think thats very fair to say. People have there opinions and thats fair enough IMO, i have absolutely 100% no problem whatsoever with criticizing any LFC manager, after all we are the fans. But IMO i just don't feel its necessary to judge the man at this point, a few months down the line for me is proper order and by then if things aren't the way we want, well i literally will be whinging my ass off at Roy.

That's just nonsense. He was always waving his arms around like a mentalist. He wasnt even allowed to fold his arms according to some.

[Pablo]

That's just nonsense. He was always waving his arms around like a mentalist. He wasnt even allowed to fold his arms according to some.

That was just a ridiculous comment he completely undermines any relevant points he might make with ****e like that.