I hope you're proud of yourselves

[Shaggy]

LDP

[Craig_H]

I didn't want Roy so thats neither here nor there for me, IMO i felt our current group of players needed a more man management style of focus which Rafa certainly didn't have and which Roy "never" had. I wanted Kenny, i thought his legendary status would command respect and would be a boost and his down to earth approach would have been bread and butter for certain players. This never materialized.

I too was critical of Rafa but his position was untenable and Rafa was the victim of his own poor business in the transfer market in recent seasons and his team underperforming throughout an entire season, he had to go just a mistake Roy came in after him is all.

When it comes to the sum of all parts, rafa challenged for the title and would've done so again with proper backing.

His position was 'untenable' because he exposed the owners' cuntery. 'Poor business in the transfer market' is bollocks - i go back to that £300 analogy - go and buy me a high performance car with £300. Go on.

[RedReet]

I agree with all of this, even if I was a bit ambivalent about Rafa at the end of last season.

As you say Roy are making even more mistakes and hardly a right choice at all.

Rafa, as much as I hated seeing it needed to be replaced at the end of last season, but appointing Hodgson was/is clearly the wrong decision and he builds upon our downwards going direction from the end of last season.

And as operation says, the question is not what happened but how we get on from where we are now. Dwelling in history and counterfactual guessing takes us nowhere right now. It's impossible to tell where we would be if Rafa was still here, sure we most likely wouldn't be 19th, but there is far from a guarentee we would be in contention for 4th.

What we need now is for Hodgson to go, and get a manager in that can change the style of football we have fallen to during the last 10 years and especially the last 3 months.

That’s a bit harsh if you ask me. In Rafa’s first three years, we got to 4 cup finals, twice in the biggest tournament in the world. We were poor at the start of 07/08, but after the Barnsley defeat when Rafa changed to 4231 we became a different team overnight and played some lovely football.

From that point until the end of the following season our stats in both CL and PL were:

Played 69
Won 45 (65%)
Drew 19 (28%)
Lost 5 (7%)
Goals scored 139 (2.01 per game)
Goals conceded 58 (0.34 per game).

So not only were we scoring an impressive two goals every game and rarely losing, we had some memorably victories along the way like Inter, Madrid and United.

So if you would honestly swap what happened those first 5 years and go back to the Evan's era, then personally I think you are a mad man. Lets not forget, the PL was also a more level playing field in those days and arguably easier to win. Don't let last season's disaster cloud the success Rafa brought this club.

[Neil Young]

When it comes to the sum of all parts, rafa challenged for the title and would've done so again with proper backing.

His position was 'untenable' because he exposed the owners' cuntery. 'Poor business in the transfer market' is bollocks - i go back to that £300 analogy - go and buy me a high performance car with £300. Go on.

The car features a high-quality build specification with expected high performance straight out of the box.

http://www.scalextric.com/shop/cars/...e-guard-c3003/

Easy. And lots of change too.

[barnes10]

Rafa

In the interest of preserving other threads can we have one thread that debates rafa and his legacy and the rights/wrongs of his sacking?

If we don't, since the biggest issue is roy, every thread will become a 'shouldnt have got rid of rafa' argument.

In my view, sacking rafa was the gashest of gash decisions we have ever made. He was the best manager we have had since Dalglish and possibly Paisley. Anyone coming after Shanks basically inherited real top quality. Rafa inherited gerrard and carragher and even they seem to be too full of themselves.

rafa was a builder of a club not a redknapp 'blow it all on a 1st 11 for 4 years' type that the media is having a go at. He was setting up for a dynasty
rafa transformed our club on a meagre budget
rafa was tactically smarter than pretty much all the other managers in europe
rafa got the club, its soul and us fans
rafa was nobody's bitch. not fergies, not stevies, not carras, not owens, not journos and certainly not our yank tw@t owners
rafa - at our peak - got us playing the best football i have seen a modern team play. we were so unbelievably good during the second half of the 08-09 season.
rafa deserved to be replaced by top class. not some ****ing nobody journeyman.

[Baracus]

ffs not another one

[Craig_H]

[danperkins]

Dear Jebus

[Lisburn Red]

This is for all of you complete fools who helped hound Rafa out of the club, you know who you are.

You are all directly responsible for the utter mess we're in on the pitch now.

You brought this on, and I hope you feel proud of yourselves

How would you feel about feeling 7th now you idiots? You'd all jizz in your pants for a 7th place finish now wouldn't you?

If you'd all been sensible enough to see the bigger picture back then and get behind Rafa he'd still be here. H&G couldn't find a way to force him out until you lot all turned on him. The second the fans turned he was gone in a flash.

If we'd backed him we'd still have one of the best managers in the world at the club, new owners, and positivity all around the club, Rafa would finally have been able to go for his first choice signings etc.

Instead we're in the worst shape since prior to Shankly and you're directly to blame for it

New owners, but until Roy's gone well.........IAFN.

Silly and hysterical post sorry.

Is Rafa better than Roy at present ...absolutely.
Was Rafa without major faults....... nope.
Did the Liverpool board read EST1892 before deciding to sack Rafa and employ Roy....being really silly now.

Sorry we all love the club and are gutted at our present performance but to say people on here "hounded" Rafa out is absurd.

[barnes10]

relax, im just trying to stop this point ruining everything i read across the entire sire.

ffs i think the 'what music you listening to' thread is banging on about rafa ...

[destinydude]

Jaysus no!

[Lisburn Red]

When it comes to the sum of all parts, rafa challenged for the title and would've done so again with proper backing.

His position was 'untenable' because he exposed the owners' cuntery. 'Poor business in the transfer market' is bollocks - i go back to that £300 analogy - go and buy me a high performance car with £300. Go on.

Craig I agree in most part but Rafa (I dont think you would say otherwise) was not without blame and did sign some stinkers and made some really awful tactical decisions along the way.

[danperkins]

FLMAO

You can take a step back because you arent a Rafa fan

FLMAO

You hated Rafa so your opinion regarding Rafa is about as worthless as mine

****ing justifying yourself like that is hilarious

So i hated Rafa now did i? who said that ****? Thanks for putting those words in my mouth

I'm am no fan of both managers, you are a staunch Rafa fan and from what i can read since Roys appointment and your posts you don't have alot love for Roy as you have been campaigning to out him ever since he got his foot in the door so you'l have to excuse me if i take your completely biased opinions about Rafa with a bit of a pinch.

[danperkins]

When it comes to the sum of all parts, rafa challenged for the title and would've done so again with proper backing.

His position was 'untenable' because he exposed the owners' cuntery. 'Poor business in the transfer market' is bollocks - i go back to that £300 analogy - go and buy me a high performance car with £300. Go on.

Are u for ****ing real

Get outta here with that **** craig, common dude thats just blatantly false!!! Fair enough then, name me a good player Rafa signed in his last 2 season at LFC?

[Craig_H]

Craig I agree in most part but Rafa (I dont think you would say otherwise) was not without blame and did sign some stinkers and made some really awful tactical decisions along the way.

Of course he did mate. That's why i said that it reached the point where, unless rafa was perfect, some of us criticised him - which was wrong. He did such a great job in building up LFC, that we forgot that mistakes happen and are allowed.

I cant think of a manager who hasnt made any.