I hope you're proud of yourselves

[RedReet]

Aint that the feckin truth..................we all sense it, we knew it was going to happen, so when teams like Blackpool come to Anfield and feel that they can get something.....they're not wrong.

That still makes me laugh. Blackpool, a team of football league players, publicly boasting that they are coming to Anfield to attack us as they’ve basically nothing to be afraid of.

[Bulld0g]

Absolute crap

We are not where we are because of Rafa

We are where we are because of Roy

Where did i say that ? I said we played boring football under him and i stand by that. I said he bought a lot of mediocre players and i stand by that.
I also said Hodgson isn't the man for the job and i stand by that too. This thread was another pat Rafa on the back thread. All's i am saying is we would never have won the league with him in charge and his brand of football as manager of Liverpool was in general, ****e .

[Kenneth]

I wish people would stop telling me to let it go. I think we made a huge error getting rid of him, so no I won't let it go.

There's also someone always harping on about how crap Benitez he was, and how everything is his fault etc.

Please yourself, but I think people know that by now.

TBH, if makes no difference at all how we got to where we are. It's how it gets sorted that matters.

[Fredo]

Where did i say that ? I said we played boring football under him and i stand by that. I said he bought a lot of mediocre players and i stand by that.
I also said Hodgson isn't the man for the job and i stand by that too. This thread was another pat Rafa on the back thread. All's i am saying is we would never have won the league with him in charge and his brand of football as manager of Liverpool was in general, ****e .

We'll pat him on the back as much as we want. Who are you to patronise people like this?

[Bulld0g]

I'm a member here and have a right to my opinion. If you think that's patronising you then you need to get out from behind your keyboard and get a real life.

[Neil Young]

I'm a member here and have a right to my opinion. If you think that's patronising you then you need to get out from behind your keyboard and get a real life.

I think that's probably true anyway.

[The Erectile Banana]

Are we all still feeling proud of ourselves?

[danperkins]

The Rafa boys are in full swing, Rafa had to go and Roy has to go. People keep harping on about Rafa saying we made a mistake, yes we made a mistake but it wasn't letting Rafa go, it was appointing Roy Hodsgon, sure none of us wanted him anyways but thats noyt to say that Rafa didn't have to go.

Roy deserved a chance, he has got it and has failed. We were ****ing ****e last season, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and same lame excuses in interviews everytime we played bad or lost. Roy is doing exactly the same thus far. Wouldn't want Rafa anywhere ****ing near LFC again, he had his time, it didn't happen and he went. Roy came in as as far as i can see did try to change things at all, still went with 2 DM's that didn't work, tried to play negative tactics and grind resuts out and that didn't work, playing players in wrong positions to try suit a certain style of play and that didn't work either.

Roy has made all the same mistakes Rafa made last season and "then some" , this i told you so bull shut is embarrassing. Rafa out was the right decision, problem was that Roy in was not.

[Lecter]

The Rafa boys are in full swing, Rafa had to go and Roy has to go. People keep harping on about Rafa, we made a mistake, yes we made a mistake but it wasn't letting Rafa go, it was appointing Hodsgon.

None of us wanted him here but he deserved a chance, he has got it and has failed. We were ****ing ****e last season, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and same lame excuses in interviews everytime we played bad or lost. Wouldn't want Rafa anywhere ****ing near LFC again, he had his time, it didn't happen and he went. Roy came in as as far as i can see did try to change things at all, still went with 2 DM's that didn't work, tried to play negative tactics and grind resuts out and that didn't work, playing players in wrong positions to try suit a certain style of play and that didn't work either.

Roy has made all the same mistakes Rafa made last season and "then some" , this i told you so bull shut is embarrassing. Rafa out was the right decision, problem was that Roy in was not.

You should never sack anyone if you cant find a better replacement

That is the bottom line

[Shaggy]

Roy deserved a chance, he has got it and has failed. We were ****ing ****e last season, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and same lame excuses in interviews everytime we played bad or lost. Roy is doing exactly the same thus far.

No he is not, you couldn't be more wrong.

[red g]

No arguments.

You have to laugh really.

We were the number 1 ranked team in Europe - regularly conquering Europe's elite. Yet the whingers would always say "Not arsed about the CL, we want the title".

How ridiculous does that look now. Look where we were before Benitez, and look where we are after Benitez. Enough said.

Rafa created the legacy that made us number 1 ranked team in Europe.

But a mix of American owners and some bad signings from Rafa ensured by the end of his tenure we were no longer number 1

[Kenneth]

This for/against Rafa stuff is boooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrring.

[Shaggy]

You should never sack anyone if you cant find a better replacement

That is the bottom line

And it was blatantly obvious at the time that that wasn't going to happen. Hence you don't sack the current incumbent.

But we did and now look at us.

[Vermilion]

This for/against Rafa stuff is boooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrring.

Think the Hodgson stuff/performance is sort of reinforcing peoples opinion...much reminissing going on...does seem a long long time ago now though.

[Darkon]

The Rafa boys are in full swing, Rafa had to go and Roy has to go. People keep harping on about Rafa saying we made a mistake, yes we made a mistake but it wasn't letting Rafa go, it was appointing Roy Hodsgon, sure none of us wanted him anyways but thats noyt to say that Rafa didn't have to go.

Roy deserved a chance, he has got it and has failed. We were ****ing ****e last season, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and same lame excuses in interviews everytime we played bad or lost. Wouldn't want Rafa anywhere ****ing near LFC again, he had his time, it didn't happen and he went. Roy came in as as far as i can see did try to change things at all, still went with 2 DM's that didn't work, tried to play negative tactics and grind resuts out and that didn't work, playing players in wrong positions to try suit a certain style of play and that didn't work either.

Roy has made all the same mistakes Rafa made last season and "then some" , this i told you so bull shut is embarrassing. Rafa out was the right decision, problem was that Roy in was not.

I agree with all of this, even if I was a bit ambivalent about Rafa at the end of last season.

As you say Roy are making even more mistakes and hardly a right choice at all.

Rafa, as much as I hated seeing it needed to be replaced at the end of last season, but appointing Hodgson was/is clearly the wrong decision and he builds upon our downwards going direction from the end of last season.

And as operation says, the question is not what happened but how we get on from where we are now. Dwelling in history and counterfactual guessing takes us nowhere right now. It's impossible to tell where we would be if Rafa was still here, sure we most likely wouldn't be 19th, but there is far from a guarentee we would be in contention for 4th.

What we need now is for Hodgson to go, and get a manager in that can change the style of football we have fallen to during the last 10 years and especially the last 3 months.