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    #31
    pablos right.

    rafa was our best option at the time. therefore sacking his was a **** up. players should have gone first. simple as that.

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      #32
      Rafa out
      Kenny interim would have been the best solution imo.
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      Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

      Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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        #33
        Agree completely Poormanspablo.

        Would also blame the players that turned on him too.
        3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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          #34
          Originally posted by barnes10 View Post
          pablos right.

          rafa was our best option at the time. therefore sacking his was a **** up. players should have gone first. simple as that.
          The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
            All of you that are disagree with me are missing one crucial point here:

            - When we sacked Rafa the club was in a huge mess and no decent manager wanted in.

            Those of us with a few braincells knew that a manager as **** as Roy was all that was affordable/realistic if we chose to sack him. It was always going to be a managerial downgrade due to the state of the club at that time.

            If you're all honest you all hated Rafa so much at the time you just ignored this simple fact as you were so desperate to get rid of him.
            Oh pls again Pablo. Rafa wanted to go. He didn't even once categorically squash the Juve rumors except for a faint denial once.

            We still had a chance to go for Kenny/Pellegrini or whoever that had European exp and exp of managing top clubs of late. The board made a gash decision.

            Add to that the mood would have been horrible in the squad cos we all know that Stevie and Carra were very unhappy with him. The board wouldn't have sacked him without taking the senior players' opinion into consideration.
            Patience when teased often, transforms into rage

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              #36
              Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
              This is for all of you complete fools who helped hound Rafa out of the club, you know who you are.

              You are all directly responsible for the utter mess we're in on the pitch now.

              You brought this on, and I hope you feel proud of yourselves

              How would you feel about feeling 7th now you idiots? You'd all jizz in your pants for a 7th place finish now wouldn't you?

              If you'd all been sensible enough to see the bigger picture back then and get behind Rafa he'd still be here. H&G couldn't find a way to force him out until you lot all turned on him. The second the fans turned he was gone in a flash.

              If we'd backed him we'd still have one of the best managers in the world at the club, new owners, and positivity all around the club, Rafa would finally have been able to go for his first choice signings etc.

              Instead we're in the worst shape since prior to Shankly and you're directly to blame for it

              New owners, but until Roy's gone well.........IAFN.
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                  #38
                  Sometimes Rafa frustrated the heck out of me. I couldn't get my head round a lot of his decisions and at times thought they had no positive impact on the game whatsoever. I think this season has really highlighted what an achievement last year was though and we're seeing just what an important player Mascherano was for us too.

                  I felt that the decision to move Rafa on wasn't an entirely wrong decision at the time. I loved (and still do love) the man but I suppose my expectations and reality weren't really compatible at the time. I'd walk to Milan to fetch him back now though. We need someone who understands not just about the tactics and the game but exactly what is involved in managing a team of our stature. It's Roy's inability to grasp that that is setting our current tone. If the manager has low expectations then the players will have. Rafa always expected us to compete and achieve. Roy just expects us to try to compete with achievement just a nice bonus.
                  A lot of people run a race to see who is fastest. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by destinydude View Post
                    Oh pls again Pablo. Rafa wanted to go. He didn't even once categorically squash the Juve rumors except for a faint denial once.

                    We still had a chance to go for Kenny/Pellegrini or whoever that had European exp and exp of managing top clubs of late. The board made a gash decision.

                    Add to that the mood would have been horrible in the squad cos we all know that Stevie and Carra were very unhappy with him. The board wouldn't have sacked him without taking the senior players' opinion into consideration.
                    You all helped force one of the best managers we ever had out of the club and it resulted in him being replaced with Roy Hodgson. Most of us could see a million miles off it would end in disaster, and it has. It's as simple as that, and I'm pissed off about it.

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                      #40
                      I didn't want Rafa to go but he's gone. Pablo is right that this summer no quality manager would have wanted to work at LFC and we probably got the best available (put aside Kenny as that was obvioulsy a big risk with the time he's been out of the game).

                      It's inevitable that Roy will be on the new owner's agenda and if they chose to look for another manager then LFC is now a better prospect and some of the better quality managers would probably be back in the frame.

                      Looking positively with achange of manager and within a season Spurs moved from bottom to top 4

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
                        This is for all of you complete fools who helped hound Rafa out of the club, you know who you are.

                        You are all directly responsible for the utter mess we're in on the pitch now.

                        You brought this on, and I hope you feel proud of yourselves

                        How would you feel about feeling 7th now you idiots? You'd all jizz in your pants for a 7th place finish now wouldn't you?

                        If you'd all been sensible enough to see the bigger picture back then and get behind Rafa he'd still be here. H&G couldn't find a way to force him out until you lot all turned on him. The second the fans turned he was gone in a flash.

                        If we'd backed him we'd still have one of the best managers in the world at the club, new owners, and positivity all around the club, Rafa would finally have been able to go for his first choice signings etc.

                        Instead we're in the worst shape since prior to Shankly and you're directly to blame for it

                        New owners, but until Roy's gone well.........IAFN.
                        Nonsence.People may have wanted change but they didnt ask for a mid table team manager in charge,did they?

                        We are a top team with world class players,we need a world class manager to lead us.FFS,he has made the best striker in the world look like sean Dundee!
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                        'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                        Bill Shankly.

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                          #42
                          It's not about hounding Rafa out...but those that voiced their negative opinion on Rafa imo gave the board the confidence to sack him, that i feel is a fact.
                          Last edited by Vermilion; 17-10-10, 03:57 PM.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by scully View Post
                            I hold fast to my view that Rafa had to go. His defensive, over-complicated tactics, his constantly playing out-of-form or plain untalented players while resting those who could change games, his taking off anyone who dared to score a goal let alone threaten to score a hat trick etc, drove me absolutely insane last year. Roy is terrible and the moment he is out of our club I will finally feel the cloud lift, but Roy Is Awful = Rafa Is The Best Thing Since Sliced Bread is total kneejerkery.
                            FFS, I respect your right to disagree (only just mind), but how can it be total kneejerkery when half of us called thus collapse as soon as we sacked Rafa? Mindless, just utterly ****ing mindless.
                            3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Rowan View Post
                              Sometimes Rafa frustrated the heck out of me. I couldn't get my head round a lot of his decisions and at times thought they had no positive impact on the game whatsoever. I think this season has really highlighted what an achievement last year was though and we're seeing just what an important player Mascherano was for us too.

                              I felt that the decision to move Rafa on wasn't an entirely wrong decision at the time. I loved (and still do love) the man but I suppose my expectations and reality weren't really compatible at the time. I'd walk to Milan to fetch him back now though. We need someone who understands not just about the tactics and the game but exactly what is involved in managing a team of our stature. It's Roy's inability to grasp that that is setting our current tone. If the manager has low expectations then the players will have. Rafa always expected us to compete and achieve. Roy just expects us to try to compete with achievement just a nice bonus.
                              if 7th last year was such an achievement, what about previous years?

                              we had a great manager who ost his mojo, and he's been replaced by ****.

                              2nd--over-achievement

                              7th--bad season

                              19th--manager dragging the playing staff down
                              dave of mutilation

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
                                You all helped force one of the best managers we ever had out of the club and it resulted in him being replaced with Roy Hodgson. Most of us could see a million miles off it would end in disaster, and it has. It's as simple as that, and I'm pissed off about it.
                                Relax mate, Rafa was a fantastic manager but as much as I thought of him I dont think he had the strength to continue the old regime.

                                Time to move on, maybe someday he will return but for now we need to shout about the clueless one that is Roy and pray that NESV act quickly.

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