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    From a good stats guy on TTT:

    Just to put some reality around the numbers of points gained and required.

    With 30 games to go there are 90 points available.

    In order to get into a Champions League spot, the normal target is 67 points, so we would need 61 more points, slightly more than 2 a game. This is not far short of title winning form.

    Assuming the two domestic cups are won by teams at the top of the Premier League, so freeing up an extra 2 places in the league – in order to get a Europa League spot, the target would be about 62 points, so we would need 56 more points, slight less than 2 a game. This is approximately the same as form to qualify for the Champions League over a full season.

    Let’s look at the worst case scenario – relegation. In order to be guaranteed avoiding relegation, we would need approximately 42 points, or 36 more points from 30 games. Surely this is achievable? Well, combining Roy’s and our recent record, we can expect to win no more than about 2 and draw 5 of our remaining 15 away games, giving us 11 points. We would therefore need 25 points from our remaining 15 home games.

    Discounting Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City at home, which are unlikely to return much in the way of points, and draws at best against Everton, Spurs and Villa, that still leaves us needing 22 points from 9 home games. Unless we pick up unexpected points from the above 6 home games, or improve dramatically on our away form, we have about 5 points to play with in those 9 home games, before we are staring relegation squarely in the face.

    In short, and without being overdramatic about this, if we fail to Blackburn at Anfield, we could be at the point of no return.

    Very sober reading, and the reason I do the season-to-go analysis.
    Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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      Originally posted by Lecter View Post
      From a good stats guy on TTT:

      Just to put some reality around the numbers of points gained and required.

      With 30 games to go there are 90 points available.

      In order to get into a Champions League spot, the normal target is 67 points, so we would need 61 more points, slightly more than 2 a game. This is not far short of title winning form.

      Assuming the two domestic cups are won by teams at the top of the Premier League, so freeing up an extra 2 places in the league – in order to get a Europa League spot, the target would be about 62 points, so we would need 56 more points, slight less than 2 a game. This is approximately the same as form to qualify for the Champions League over a full season.

      Let’s look at the worst case scenario – relegation. In order to be guaranteed avoiding relegation, we would need approximately 42 points, or 36 more points from 30 games. Surely this is achievable? Well, combining Roy’s and our recent record, we can expect to win no more than about 2 and draw 5 of our remaining 15 away games, giving us 11 points. We would therefore need 25 points from our remaining 15 home games.

      Discounting Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City at home, which are unlikely to return much in the way of points, and draws at best against Everton, Spurs and Villa, that still leaves us needing 22 points from 9 home games. Unless we pick up unexpected points from the above 6 home games, or improve dramatically on our away form, we have about 5 points to play with in those 9 home games, before we are staring relegation squarely in the face.

      In short, and without being overdramatic about this, if we fail to Blackburn at Anfield, we could be at the point of no return.

      Very sober reading, and the reason I do the season-to-go analysis.
      Whatever happened to one game at a time

      I hope the players don't read this
      Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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        Originally posted by danperkins View Post
        I like Aldo always straight forward, my dad met him recently and was talking to him abut Liverpool, he's a straight shooter. I don't want to get into another Rafa argument and everything i seem to say regarding Rafa seems to get me a bad reaction from people on here that support Rafa but i'll just say this one thing and i hope this comes across as balanced, Roy has done a terrible job so far, Poulsen/Konch and Jones are not good signings and were prob never going to be good signings, that is very clear. Roy's tactics, team selection and urgency have been very questionable to say the least and being kind.

        But seriously the squad left behind was not a good squad, it was filled it holes. Should Roy be doing better with it? Yes damn right but i don't see anything wrong with what Aldo said, in fact i completely agree with him. I like Aldo he is Liverpool FC through and through and one of the good guys IMO.

        The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

        Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

        Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

        Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

        Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

        Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

        IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

        The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

        Its ****ing horse****

        Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

        IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that
        Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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          Originally posted by Lecter View Post
          The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

          Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

          Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

          Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

          Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

          Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

          IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

          The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

          Its ****ing horse****

          Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

          IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that
          Couldnt agree more. All this sort of stuff is completely ruining football for me. How can I move on if people constantly actively disrespect what Rafa achieved, whilst endlessly giving Roy excuse after excuse at his expense?
          3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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            Originally posted by Lecter View Post
            The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

            Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

            Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

            Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

            Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

            Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

            IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

            The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

            Its ****ing horse****

            Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

            IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that
            agreed and surely it has to be the other way around as well - there is no point in judging/blaming Roy for not being Rafa or doing things differently - and not least with counterfactual arguments that are coming up all the time.

            Rafa is gone, like it or not, but there is no point in being stuck in history. We are in a bad position right now, with a manager that has far from impressed so how we get on from here is the essential question.

            It is not Rafa's fault that Hodgson has so far shown to be an incapable manager, and Roy should not be judged solely on being a different type of manager than Rafa was. Let's move on please.

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              Originally posted by Lecter View Post
              The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

              Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

              Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

              Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

              Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

              Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

              IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

              The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

              Its ****ing horse****

              Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

              IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that

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                Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                Couldnt agree more. All this sort of stuff is completely ruining football for me. How can I move on if people constantly actively disrespect what Rafa achieved, whilst endlessly giving Roy excuse after excuse at his expense?

                This is what is annoying the **** out of me, they are asking us not to go on about Rafa going because "hes gone, hes the past"

                Yet they use Rafa to defend Roy or offer excuses for him

                They can all **** right off as far as I am concerned

                If you want us to let go dont bother mentioning Rafa in relation to where we are today, because the moment you offer mitigating circumstances for Roy in terms of the squad then you know Rafa is going to be dragged back into it
                Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                  Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                  This is what is annoying the **** out of me, they are asking us not to go on about Rafa going because "hes gone, hes the past"

                  Yet they use Rafa to defend Roy or offer excuses for him

                  They can all **** right off as far as I am concerned

                  If you want us to let go dont bother mentioning Rafa in relation to where we are today, because the moment you offer mitigating circumstances for Roy in terms of the squad then you know Rafa is going to be dragged back into it
                  So true. Here's a conversation I had some someone in work a few days ago:

                  A lad in work: "FFS sake will you Liverpool fans stop going on about Rafa Benitez, it's got nothing to do with him anymore!"

                  Me: "Ok then tell me why we're doing so **** this season."

                  The lad: "Well Rafa left Hogdson an absolute **** squad didn't he!"

                  Me: "Arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh! "

                  The best part is he was blissfully unaware of his hipocrasy. I blame it all on the media. He was just spouting exactly what he'd read in the paper and seen SS News. 95% of "football fans" are exactly the same these days

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                    Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                    The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

                    Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

                    Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

                    Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

                    Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

                    Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

                    IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

                    The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

                    Its ****ing horse****

                    Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

                    IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that
                    "I will make the boys feel your support"
                    Jurgen Klopp June 2020

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                      Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                      From a good stats guy on TTT:

                      Just to put some reality around the numbers of points gained and required.

                      With 30 games to go there are 90 points available.

                      In order to get into a Champions League spot, the normal target is 67 points, so we would need 61 more points, slightly more than 2 a game. This is not far short of title winning form.

                      Assuming the two domestic cups are won by teams at the top of the Premier League, so freeing up an extra 2 places in the league – in order to get a Europa League spot, the target would be about 62 points, so we would need 56 more points, slight less than 2 a game. This is approximately the same as form to qualify for the Champions League over a full season.

                      Let’s look at the worst case scenario – relegation. In order to be guaranteed avoiding relegation, we would need approximately 42 points, or 36 more points from 30 games. Surely this is achievable? Well, combining Roy’s and our recent record, we can expect to win no more than about 2 and draw 5 of our remaining 15 away games, giving us 11 points. We would therefore need 25 points from our remaining 15 home games.

                      Discounting Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City at home, which are unlikely to return much in the way of points, and draws at best against Everton, Spurs and Villa, that still leaves us needing 22 points from 9 home games. Unless we pick up unexpected points from the above 6 home games, or improve dramatically on our away form, we have about 5 points to play with in those 9 home games, before we are staring relegation squarely in the face.

                      In short, and without being overdramatic about this, if we fail to Blackburn at Anfield, we could be at the point of no return.

                      Very sober reading, and the reason I do the season-to-go analysis.
                      It paints a very grim picture, but let's be honest, how often does a side who gets 41 points for example, actually go down? Very rare.

                      I'd argue that somewhere around 35-38 points would most likely keep a team in the division, most years.

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                        Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                        The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

                        Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

                        Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

                        Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

                        Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

                        Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

                        IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

                        The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

                        Its ****ing horse****

                        Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

                        IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that
                        Spot on.

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                          I was arguing with a good pal of mine at the weekend who happens to be a big LFC fan too - and his whole argument was based around crap media-spun lies and half-truths.

                          The really infuriating comment was reserved for the "any manager that gets 7th for LFC deserves to be sacked" regardless of situation!
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                            Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                            The revisionism of Aldo and yourself is on an epic scale

                            Rafa was sacked for supposedly not getting the most out of an underperforming side that "was certainly better than its 7th place league position suggested"

                            Roy was brought in to steady the ship and get this "underperforming squad" back into the top 4

                            Now that he has completely ****ed that up its Rafas fault for the squad that was left

                            Aldo is passionate but so is St John and a whole host of other former reds - doesnt stop them talking absolute ****ing bollocks mind

                            Well to both you and Aldo I will say this

                            IF the squad is so **** then surely Rafa worked wonders in managing to finish 7th yes?

                            The media appear to want it both ways, they wanted Rafa gone because of his poor performance with a decent squad yet now Roy (their chosen one) is completely ****ing things up they want to change history and offer mitigating circumstances

                            Its ****ing horse****

                            Rafa is gone, rightly or wrongly hes gone, blaiming him for the current situation is a ****ing ****house thing to do

                            IMO this squad is good enough to finish as high as it did last year, it wont get near that under Roy and no amount of blaiming Rafa is an excuse for that
                            Is the correct answer. makes my blood boil when i hear the crass hypocrisy of people defending roy by using the same stick they beat rafa with as a sword...
                            I'm in a glass cage of emotion!

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                              Its almost as if comparing Roy to Rafa or even mentioning Rafa in the conversation as the previous Liverpool manager makes Hodgson immune to criticism.
                              Hodgson could have followed Souness as manager for all I care and he will never be good enough to manage us.

                              I only hope that the reason he hasn't been sacked yet is because NESV are taking time to consider who they want as the manager before getting rid of him.

                              One win against fat head's team shouldn't be buying him breathing space, especially as it was achieved using un Hodgson like tactics
                              The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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                                Yes, I've got no problem with NESV taking their time to think over the managerial situation at the club. It seems they don't make impulsive decisions. I think we won't see Roy gone until we've a Chief Executive in place.

                                My only concern though, and this is me speculating, is that they might not see the "value" is sacking him and paying him off. If they are so careful with their money, that move might not make financial sense to them. Although I guess if they realise we are near relegation the financial implications of that would mean getting rid of Roy, although costly, would still be the best option.

                                I still dont think Roy will be manager by, let's say, Decemeber.

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