Pack your bags Roy

[Fernandinho]

I presented one opinion as fact, that the players you mentioned:

Maxi
Johnson
Aqua
Kyriagkos


Were not good signings for LFC. You said they were i don't know many people who would agree with you.

And i think you know that its common knowledge that foreign players in likes of Italy/Germany/Spain get priority rather than players playing outside there national country. So common knowledge or fact, well lets do the stats on it. How many players on the German national team play outside Germany? Ozil went to Madrid so there's one. This applies to the Spanish and Italian national teams, i'm just too lazy to go through the players.

What does this have to do with the argument. In relation to Italians playing abroad you probably can't name 3 other then Giuseppie Rossi because barely any do. I think other then Ozil you probably couldn't name 3 decent Germans who play outside of Germany either. And spanish players don't get priority. Its all relative. If you compare the number of Spanish players in Spain to numbers outside. Then the number of players in the national team from spain and playing abroad im sure you would see little difference. Alonso and Torres and Arbeloa were all getting runs with the national team while playing for us, and Fabregas is startign to get into the team now.

[Craig_H]

Haha what? Nothing about palming anything off, Does it not make sense to you that if we didn't spend so much money in other areas and on over priced, sub standard players in other areas that we would have "more money" to buy a CB?

I wasn't avoiding your question, thought it was obvious with previous answer.

You mentioned Dossena - but we didnt sign Kyrgiakos and Dossena at the same time. We signed Dossena a whole year earlier than Kyrgiakos. We signed Dossena when we NEEDED a LB. Are you suggesting we should've not signed one and gone a year with that void in the squad?

[Fernandinho]

We should have bought the Greek then instead and played him left back

[Havors]

Who are these 90 useless players he bought?

Maxi
Alberto Aquilani
Phillip Degen
Andrea Dossena
Robert Keane
Péter Gulácsi
Andrey Voronin
Nikolay Mihaylov
Sebastián Eduardo Leto
Mikel San José
Ryan Babel
Charles Itandje
Péter Gulácsi
Damien Plessis
Mark Gonzales
Antonio Barragan
Boudewijn Zenden
Momo Sissoko
Jan Kromkamp
Pelligrino
Fernando Morientes
Josemi
Gabriel Palletta
Nabil El Zhar
Astrit Ajdarevic
Jermaine Pennant
Emiliano Insua
Antonio Nunez

Dont get me wrong he also bought some great players, but most of his buys where a waste of money & wages.

That would work, if the 5-10 ordinary players he sold had only left 2 empty spaces in the squad.

Like i said whats the point in having a squad of 40 players when 20 of them aint good enough and dont get a game? Quality not Quantity.

[danperkins]

What does this have to do with the argument. In relation to Italians playing abroad you probably can't name 3 other then Giuseppie Rossi because barely any do. I think other then Ozil you probably couldn't name 3 decent Germans who play outside of Germany either. And spanish players don't get priority. Its all relative. If you compare the number of Spanish players in Spain to numbers outside. Then the number of players in the national team from spain and playing abroad im sure you would see little difference. Alonso and Torres and Arbeloa were all getting runs with the national team while playing for us, and Fabregas is startign to get into the team now.

It has absolutely nothing got to do with the argument at hand just common knowledge that playing fofr the likelyhood of playing for the national side especially in Italy decreases when playing outside the domestic league.

[Neil Young]

...most of his buys where a waste of money & wages...

I think that applies to all managers, especially where a manager doesn't have the luxury of time to let players bed in, whether for budget considerations or any other reason.

[Fernandinho]

Which is irelevant to Aquilani because between leaving Roma and joining us he was injured too much to be considered anyway. To look at his caps compare the period leading to the Euro's to when he was injured.

[Shaggy]

Maxi
Alberto Aquilani
Phillip Degen
Andrea Dossena
Robert Keane
Péter Gulácsi
Andrey Voronin
Nikolay Mihaylov
Sebastián Eduardo Leto
Mikel San José
Ryan Babel
Charles Itandje
Péter Gulácsi
Damien Plessis
Mark Gonzales
Antonio Barragan
Boudewijn Zenden
Momo Sissoko
Jan Kromkamp
Pelligrino
Fernando Morientes
Josemi
Gabriel Palletta
Nabil El Zhar
Astrit Ajdarevic
Jermaine Pennant
Emiliano Insua
Antonio Nunez

Dont get me wrong he also bought some great players, but most of his buys where a waste of money & wages.



Like i said whats the point in having a squad of 40 players when 20 of them aint good enough and dont get a game? Quality not Quantity.

A load of those were youth signings for the Academy/reserves!

[Havors]

I think that applies to all managers.

yeah i know, with the exception of one or two. im not having a go at rafa i loved him, but he was a bit trigger happy in the transfer market.

[Havors]

A load of those were youth signings for the Academy/reserves!

Ill think youll find only a couple of them where.

[The Erectile Banana]

Which game was he good in

He was decent on his debut.

Don't get me wrong, I don't rate the lad, but I hope he'll somehow prove us wrong.

[Shaggy]

Ill think youll find only a couple of them where.

Péter Gulácsi
Nikolay Mihaylov
Sebastián Eduardo Leto
Mikel San José
Péter Gulácsi
Damien Plessis
Antonio Barragan
Gabriel Palletta
Nabil El Zhar
Astrit Ajdarevic
Emiliano Insua

"a couple"

[Neil Young]

yeah i know, with the exception of one or two. im not having a go at rafa i loved him, but he was a bit trigger happy in the transfer market.

Maybe but my edit refers to that.

I really think it is all managers, especially at top clubs - even Wenger has fouled up a lot more times than he has been successful. Although tbh I can't be bothered researching it to back up that thought.

[danperkins]

You mentioned Dossena - but we didnt sign Kyrgiakos and Dossena at the same time. We signed Dossena a whole year earlier than Kyrgiakos. We signed Dossena when we NEEDED a LB. Are you suggesting we should've not signed one and gone a year with that void in the squad?

You know my point and you know what i meant, if your knit picking that much fair enough i'll humour you, take Aqua for example. We bought him....... injured

So your talking about having voids in the squad and what Rafa has to contend with but yet he can manage to buy not only a currently injured player but one with a history of injuries and one that hasn't managed to complete a full season in 6 years????

So we go and waste money on him, installments or no installments, full whack works out at 19.4 million sterling. So my point being when you waste money on players you could have put that money into other areas. And why would Rafa buy Aqua when he favours the 2 DM's? Where is Aqua gonna fot in behind Torres? Eh no Gerrard was there? Waste of moola

[Kenneth]

yeah i know, with the exception of one or two. im not having a go at rafa i loved him, but he was a bit trigger happy in the transfer market.

Well I agree. He would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky owners though. If he'd been in a position to be allowed to make Fergie level mistakes in the market, it wouldn't have been such a big deal, but with our budget, he couldn't find sucessful bargains, which we really needed.