Pack your bags Roy

[Mattshark]

Now I'm confused. Kewell/Babel/Riera/Cole should all be as good as almost any team in the PL has as options for left. Surely the right has been a bigger problem for years.

Why? Since Kuyt has been out there, he has done a great job.

[dom9]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Has he been sacked yet?

[Havors]

And you are including youth/Academy/reserve team signings, most of which were either free or cost peanuts - and most of which have been sold on for a profit. You are seriously talking about how money could've been better spent and you are including the likes of Gulacsi, Barragan, San Jose etc?

ye its simple maths mate.... in one season we bought...

£2m - Josemi
£1.5m - Antonio Nunez
£6.3m - Fernando Morientes
£1m - Scott Carson

= £10.8m

None of them lasted more than a season or two... so the £11m could have been spent on a better player/s. Even some of the kids cost money that adds up. Im not saying there was a better players available at the time, I was just making a point.

[Shaggy]

??? i said cole was at his most affective coming off the bench for chelsea, not he was always a sub. he had a few good games for england on the left yes ill give you that.

Oh really?

He always come off the bench for chelsea and he always drifted behind the strikers left & right and linked up play. He has however always played on the left for England, and we know how ****e hes been there.

Right.

there were only a few youth players on there the rest where senior squad! and thats not got anything to do with the price of fish either, i was just talking about the quality of the signings and how the money could have been spent better...

Yeah and youth signings are irrelevant.

seriously you need to read what im saying before jumping to conclusions assumptions and feel the need to contradict everything i say. what makes your point of view gospel??

Nothing, but there were 11 youngster signings on that list, not "a couple", and that's a fact. I've read what you're saying, about Joe Cole at Chelsea and all, it was bollocks, same as I thought first time I read it. Maybe you should re-read all your stuff eh.

[dom9]

ye its simple maths mate.... in one season we bought...

£2m - Josemi
£1.5m - Antonio Nunez
£6.3m - Fernando Morientes
£1m - Scott Carson

= £10.8m

None of them lasted more than a season or two... so the £11m could have been spent on a better player/s. Even some of the kids cost money that adds up. Im not saying there was a better players available at the time, I was just making a point.

How much were they sold for?

[Shaggy]

ye its simple maths mate.... in one season we bought...

£2m - Josemi
£1.5m - Antonio Nunez
£6.3m - Fernando Morientes
£1m - Scott Carson

= £10.8m

None of them lasted more than a season or two... so the £11m could have been spent on a better player/s. Even some of the kids cost money that adds up. Im not saying there was a better players available at the time, I was just making a point.

Why have you just selected a small handful from your list?

See below:

The thing is that when you buy San Jose for ~£300k and sell him for £3.5m it might appear to other eyes that that money had been invested wisely. There may well be a case for what you are saying but it was you who made it difficult to discern by mixing in examples that clearly flatly contradict your central thesis without explanation for why you think they should be considered in a different light.

[danperkins]

I don't get the Aqua buy was baffling comment. I take the point that he may have been a bad gamble but given our financial situation and the fact we needed a player to give a creative spark and link the team together (replacing Alonso) the requirement for a player with the potential to be a top quality ball player seems pretty glaring. Perhaps with the injury and coming from Italy the odds weren't good enough but surely the reasoning for that sort of signing is pretty clear, no?

I get what your saying mate, IMO Rafa clearly liked to play 2 DM's, we had Gerrard who was a banker to play behind Torres under Rafa so where was Aqua going to fit in? Aqua is an attacking midfielder Alonso was not, two completely different players, surely people seen him getting pushed off the ball and trying to tackle its just wasn't his game, there is no way he could cut it in the CM in the premier league and Rafa knew this.

Aqua got babied into the team it was a cotton wool job the whole season so frustrating. In Rafa's own words wouldn't play him at likes of Blackburn as it might be too physical for him, thats an actual quote from Rafa himself!!! I'm mean seriously, we all knew his injury history, we know that the premier league is the most physically demanding league, its the fastest tempo and most unforgiving, so little time and space especially in the middle of the park which can be a battle ground, Rafa was terrified to play him there incase he got injured and then everyone would say "Well you did buy an injury prone player" , so Aqua barely featured fits and starts and we sacrificed any sort of creativity in the middle of the park for the whole season, which cost us.

IMO a completely baffling signing. rafa got caught up in the Alonso saga and we ran out of time to get an adequate replacement, options dwindled so we were left with the injured Aquilani.

[Galb]

Rafa was a very good manager, but there are managers who have a knack of finding players with potential to fill specific voids at a low price and bedding them into the team. Moyes for exampe. Rafa wasn't one of these managers, just wasn't one of his traits. unfortunately due to our circumstances, it was something that was increasingly necessary.

Eh, I never understand how Moyes manages to get away with his 'I never get to spend no money, me' line. He's made some good signings over the years but he's also made some poor ones.

Richard Wright? Ibrahim Said? James Beattie. Ibrahim Bakayoko? Didnt he sign that defender for millions (Koldrup) who was then sent back to Italy for being rubbish? Simon Davies? Yakubu was great yesterday but he cost them £11m or so and has been poor overall for them, spending a lot of time on the bench or unfit. That Russian for £10m or so also looks average at best.

All managers make good and bad signings. Just because Moyes spends his time taking about his 'bargain' doesnt mean he hasnt wasted cash too.

[danperkins]

How much were they sold for?

What did they do for the club?

[Havors]

The thing is that when you buy San Jose for ~£300k and sell him for £3.5m it might appear to other eyes that that money had been invested wisely. There may well be a case for what you are saying but it was you who made it difficult to discern by mixing in examples that clearly flatly contradict your central thesis without explanation for why you think they should be considered in a different light.

I understand what your saying but my point was only to highlight the fact that when we were weak in certain areas of the first team we could have possibly bought better players and maybe would have won the league 2 years ago?

Also in the long run that £3.5 you may have made has in turn gone to buying sub standard players in subsequent seasons.

I do know what your saying though and i was only trying to highlight a way of looking at past signings and what could have been done better.

[Havors]

Why have you just selected a small handful from your list?

See below:

again you dont read my posts properly...

[Galb]

I get what your saying mate, IMO Rafa clearly liked to play 2 DM's, we had Gerrard who was a banker to play behind Torres under Rafa so where was Aqua going to fit in? Aqua is an attacking midfielder Alonso was not, two completely different players, surely people seen him getting pushed off the ball and trying to tackle its just wasn't his game, there is no way he could cut it in the CM in the premier league and Rafa knew this.

Aqua got babied into the team it was a cotton wool job the whole season so frustrating. In Rafa's own words wouldn't play him at likes of Blackburn as it might be too physical for him, thats an actual quote from Rafa himself!!! I'm mean seriously, we all knew his injury history, we know that the premier league is the most physically demanding league, its the fastest tempo and most unforgiving, so little time and space especially in the middle of the park which can be a battle ground, Rafa was terrified to play him there incase he got injured and then everyone would say "Well you did buy an injury prone player" , so Aqua barely featured fits and starts and we sacrificed any sort of creativity in the middle of the park for the whole season, which cost us.

IMO a completely baffling signing. rafa got caught up in the Alonso saga and we ran out of time to get an adequate replacement, options dwindled so we were left with the injured Aquilani.

Or, as Rafa said himself at the time, we didnt have the cash to go out and buy someone so we had to take a chance on someone like Aquilani because he was cheaper as a result of his injury record.

(Im still not sure whether we ever paid anything close to £20m for him - I wonder if him being sent on loan was to avoid triggering repayments, as it was rumoured we paid very little up front?)

Like with Maxi and the Greek, they were signings dictated by how little money we had available, not by who we would have signed in an ideal (or even normal) situation.

[dom9]

What did they do for the club?

Make a profit and / or performed as a stop gap until there was a budget for an improvement.

[Havors]

Eh, I never understand how Moyes manages to get away with his 'I never get to spend no money, me' line. He's made some good signings over the years but he's also made some poor ones.

Richard Wright? Ibrahim Said? James Beattie. Ibrahim Bakayoko? Didnt he sign that defender for millions (Koldrup) who was then sent back to Italy for being rubbish? Simon Davies? Yakubu was great yesterday but he cost them £11m or so and has been poor overall for them, spending a lot of time on the bench or unfit. That Russian for £10m or so also looks average at best.

All managers make good and bad signings. Just because Moyes spends his time taking about his 'bargain' doesnt mean he hasnt wasted cash too.

haha good point! we all think of moyes as brilliant in the transfer market. He has made a lot more good than bad signing though.

[Kenneth]

The thing is that when you buy San Jose for ~£300k and sell him for £3.5m it might appear to other eyes that that money had been invested wisely. There may well be a case for what you are saying but it was you who made it difficult to discern by mixing in examples that clearly flatly contradict your central thesis without explanation for why you think they should be considered in a different light.

I thought it was a full list from the last 3 years