Pack your bags Roy

[Rix007]

It will be poetic justice if Blackburn Rovers is Roy's last game - The same club that fired his useless ass

[Kenneth]

It's not a question of misunderstanding him, if you don't mind.

People's choice of words is instructive. It's not about analysing any specific utterance in isolation, it's about whether there's a pattern there. In Hodger's case I think there is. There's a hundred different things he could have said at that point - the fact he chose that one out of all the possibilities opens a chink of light on the way he thinks and sees the world.

Politicians need to watch every word they say and rightly so I think. Hodger isn't a politician so it's unfair to hold him to such high standards. But at the same time, he's not some ingénu, he's a much-feted manager of 35 years' experience who one might expect to be used to the glare of the media spotlight and to have adapted accordingly (although that's hard to believe given his terrible media performances to date).

So I don't think I'm being unfair on him and I certainly don't think I'm misunderstanding him. I am choosing to interpret the figure of speech he used but I'm doing that by placing it in context, not the reverse.

Anyway I was basically agreeing with you, but simply adding that even when he says something right he manages to do it in such an underwhelming, narcissistic way.

That's all true. However, people do make mistakes with their choice of words and phrases when they're talking without a script. As Roy has put his foot in it with his deliberate choice of words, any casual mistake or imperfect choice is seem in that context. On this one, I'm going to cut him some slack.

[MosRay]

No offence mate but as if the 10 games thing makes any kind of difference . What if he'd said judge me after 15 games, would the owners then wait 15 games too?

I think the number of games played is meaningless to be honest, they will be scrutinising every aspect of his role at the club and I can't see them coming to any other conclusion than he needs to go ASAP. I think it's just a matter of time personally, there's no way back for him.

No offence taken For me 1 game was too many, he should have never been appointed, but he was... 10 games or 15 is neither here nor there..I only used the 10 game statement as an indicator to base my opinion on. **** me if he'd asked for 15 games we'd be completely ****ed LOL..

May I add

New owners have just taken over and their immediate remit was to back the manager, that goes without saying.. But for how long? defo not the long haul based on the season so far.

To add to that have no one appointed to make such decisions and it will be for those appointed to the board that will decide Hodgsons fate, that will also reflect our owners wishes too.

[Darkon]

That's all true. However, people do make mistakes with their choice of words and phrases when they're talking without a script. As Roy has put his foot in it with his deliberate choice of words, any casual mistake or imperfect choice is seem in that context. On this one, I'm going to cut him some slack.

seems like people are willing to pick on anything right now, and this to me is clearly not a hit at anyone, if he had said he found it ironic instead then what?

[Kenneth]

And he was apparently translating his own words from Italian.

Btw, I'm not softening my position, still need to sack the *******.

[Neil Young]

That's all true. However, people do make mistakes with their choice of words and phrases when they're talking without a script. As Roy has put his foot in it with his deliberate choice of words, any casual mistake or imperfect choice is seem in that context. On this one, I'm going to cut him some slack.

I think that's fair enough - as I said, we don't have to hold him to such high standards. It was a passing comment.



I do however object to being accused of misunderstanding or, what I suspect is the subtext, of distorting his words.

[Shaggy]

karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
by paul_tomkins
hodgson's slowly turning into the kind of man he's remembered as in scandinavia & switzerland: arrogant, touchy, patronising, unpleasant

[cream]

God, this guy is so ****ing stubborn. First time back at Anfield in a long time and I'm not looking forward to it

[Neil Young]

seems like people are willing to pick on anything right now, and this to me is clearly not a hit at anyone, if he had said he found it ironic instead then what?

It would have been different. But he didn't. He finds it 'faintly amusing'. What he did and what he didn't say is the whole point. It's a minor point, as I said, but you seem to want to insist on attacking me for making it. And now you're questioning my integrity and my motives. Charming.

Seems like it's OK for you to interrogate my words yet I'm not allowed to interrogate Hodgson's. What's the word for that? Amusing? No. Ironic? Possibly. Double standards? That's the one!

[TheElephantMan]

God, this guy is so ****ing stubborn. First time back at Anfield in a long time and I'm not looking forward to it

He's not stubborn, he's protecting his job just as any one of us would. It would be stupid of him to resign. He will be sacked soon.

[Shaggy]

karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
by JimBoardman
was always amazed by the 'roy the gentleman' tag given by uk press. in europe he was anything but

karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
by JimBoardman
re hodgson's 'wouldn't wanna work again in nor/den' - it's perfectly fine, cos nobody there'd give him a job. add switz/italy to that list

[Darkon]

It would have been different. But he didn't. He finds it 'faintly amusing'. What he did and what he didn't say is the whole point. It's a minor point, as I said, but you seem to want to insist on attacking me for making it. And now you're questioning my integrity and my motives. Charming.

Seems like it's OK for you to interrogate my words yet I'm not allowed to interrogate Hodgson's. What's the word for that? Amusing? No. Ironic? Possibly. Double standards? That's the one!

are you a bit tetchy with age ?

I am not questioning your integrity nor your motives, all I was saying is that perhaps a lot is being read into two words which basically is just saying the word "ironic" in a figure of speech.

And I wasen't interrogating you in particular, I was just uttering my opinion that there is very little surplus these days to let the small things go - and to me this was a good example and if you look at the fights getting picked on the forum right now it's shows the same IMO.

but you're more than welcome to think that I have double standards

[Outoftime]

seems like people are willing to pick on anything right now, and this to me is clearly not a hit at anyone, if he had said he found it ironic instead then what?

Not a hit at anyone but just not focusing on the bigger issue, which was fans in hospital. Faint amusement or finding it ironic really indicates a sense of personal, petty-minded "told you so" satisfaction which clearly isn't appropriate in the circumstances.

I don't think its an unfair point. I appreciate he has said worse ("I won't quit" is the first example which comes to mind).

[Darkon]

Not a hit at anyone but just not focusing on the bigger issue, which was fans in hospital. Faint amusement or finding it ironic really indicates a sense of personal, petty-minded "told you so" satisfaction which clearly isn't appropriate in the circumstances.

I don't think its an unfair point. I appreciate he has said worse ("I won't quit" is the first example which comes to mind).

sure, but it is taken completely out of context... that bit was actually just the end of a sentence, hence my question on picking on the small things.

here is all he said on the event:

"I was aware what was happening and I was concerned for our fans. The supporters have been fantastic - they knew they were coming to a potentially dangerous situation and all I can say how grateful we are for their support, and sympathetic we are and concerned at reports that several of them got attacked.

"We hope the reports are right that we have not had any serious injuries, and we hope everyone goes home safe and well. We don't want violence on the pitch or off and it and certainly not situations where supporters are getting injured before the game.

"Our fans deserve great credit for the way they have behaved. I find it faintly amusing when I should be forced before the game to defend Liverpool supporters against Italian journalists accusing them of drunken behaviour, when our peaceful supporters find themselves in hospital after being attacked by Italian fans".

[Neil Young]

are you a bit tetchy with age ?

I am not questioning your integrity nor your motives, all I was saying is that perhaps a lot is being read into two words which basically is just saying the word "ironic" in a figure of speech.

And I wasen't interrogating you in particular, I was just uttering my opinion that there is very little surplus these days to let the small things go - and to me this was a good example and if you look at the fights getting picked on the forum right now it's shows the same IMO.

but you're more than welcome to think that I have double standards

Hmm. I really think using an individual's words to make a comment about a group of people is not helpful. It happens all the time on here - 'you're only saying that because you're a member of SOS/the RCDNW brigade/the anti-Rafa boo boys' - and it rarely illuminates and always inflames.

You're right that a lot of us are very sensitive to even the smallest thing with Hodger but if there were only small things to worry about then we wouldn't be so sensitive. The question then is whether you disagree with my interpretation or whether you think it doesn't matter. Is it a small thing or nothing at all?

It's not really about double standards - consistency is important but it's ultimately unattainable and it's not the be-all and end-all. I do however feel if you want to attack or criticise what I've said then say what you mean and don't draw conclusions about or lump me in with others as it doesn't help the discussion.

Other than that broader point, the issue is a molehill so I'm happy to forget all about it.