Pack your bags Roy

[Neil Young]

Right, so Rafa guaranteeing us 4th spot and finishing 7th and being beaten by lower league teams in the domestic cups had nothing to do with him being sacked!

Blimey, what a cunt I am for saying that those were some of the reasons that got him sacked and add to that his constant bickering about the owners(which was right but no owner likes to be slagged off by his employer).

I'm sorry my argument went over your head.

[destinydude]

Read something recently about Rafa's methods being too intense and they just wore the players down

I could well believe that

Now we are in a situation where senior players have influenced a managers future and the appointment of a new manager

That needs to be nipped in the bud asap

They should not be having that sort of power

And no one is disagreeing with this bit but one of the main reasons for the players being fed up was his tactics and subs last season NOT intense training regimes.

[destinydude]

I'm sorry my argument went over your head.

Glad it did. Good day.

[Suarez]

Just watched MOTD and heard Roy say "it was a triumph for Stokes style of play". Idiot.

[Lecter]

That's bollocks, i'm afraid.

A proper strong manager picks his own team and people deal with it.

Much as i hate ferguson, he's an example of someone who is his own man and drops who he likes. These kind of managers do exist.

The idea that we need to sell the greatest player we've had for decades, is utterly utterly absurd. You dont sell your best players - you get a good manager who knows how to best utilise them.

Its a bigger picture than just the manager

Senior players had the ears of senior people at the club and have used that to influence a managers future, appoint a new manager (of their choice) AND sign players they wanted signed

We know how that has turned out dont we.......

I am sure those players still wield influence over the current manager (to a certain degree) but I think that is where it ends

Their influence extends no further than that, and unfortunately for them the longer they keep faith in their choice of manager who has been emasculated by the owners / directors then the more it will be to their detriment

Carragher has drawn his line in the sand and chosen sides he will pay the price for that somewhere down the line

[merlboo]

Which is easier to do when you finish 7th and get knocked out of every cup early doors. Had he finished 4th he'd still be here and would be able to shop till he dropped in jan and the summer. Having balls is one thing but you need to win games too!

ah right , would that be the UEFA Cup semi final you speak of ?

and while we're at it ,just when did we become Geordies when one distinctly average season had us turn on our European Cup winning manager ?

thats without mentioning it being played out to our unique backdrop of Geordie Type Boardroom antics coming out of Texas and Canada respectively

[DannyMan2006]

We need a new manager and if that person wants rid of Gerrard or Carra then fine by me. If he wants to keep them, then again, fine by me. But it must be the new mans choice.

[Lecter]

And no one is disagreeing with this bit but one of the main reasons for the players being fed up was his tactics and subs last season NOT intense training regimes.

We dont know whether that ir true or not but lets assume it is

Then lets also assume that those same players wielded massive influence in the decision to appoint the current manager

What does that say about them and their knowledge / general football view?

[destinydude]

We dont know whether that ir true or not but lets assume it is

Then lets also assume that those same players wielded massive influence in the decision to appoint the current manager

What does that say about them and their knowledge / general football view?

That they are thick headed when it comes to footballing decisions?

I'll still say this. Sacking Rafa wasn't wrong. Hiring Hodgson was, when there were better managers around.

Sadly, the so called senior players had a hand in hiring him/an "English manager" and they can be held responsible for that.

NESV realised all this drama and Purslow was asked to step down and he did. He was the power that the senior players used to hire Roy. He's gone now and there are some good men in charge which will ensure that mistakes of that sort don't happen again.

It's the same with Chelsea sacking Scolari after the senior players(Terry,Ballack etc) ganged up against him. They had sense in appointing Ancelotti unlike sucking up to the players' choice.

[Reece]

I was hoping to wake up to some good news. Alas no.

[Exiled_red]

There has been alot of speculation about players being inolved in getting rid of managers or bringing in their replacements. I don't know if it's true or not, only the people involved in the process will know how much input they had. But if any of the current players were key in bringing Hodgson to the club, then their opinions on whether he stays or who should replace him are worthless IMO, and if they don't like it, tough; because the current regime is indefensible IMO.

[DannyMan2006]

We dont know whether that ir true or not but lets assume it is

Then lets also assume that those same players wielded massive influence in the decision to appoint the current manager

What does that say about them and their knowledge / general football view?

To my mind Lec that would spell disaster. But I do wonder whether or not it's true. There must have been some players who backed Rafa, surely they would be kicking up a right stink after seeing how the new man is doing.

I guess they could be behind the scenes, but I thought it would be more noticable on the pitch. When they score they all seem happy enough, and they seemed unified when they played the Chavs.

[Bender]

Mickey Quinn just referred to Roy Hodgson as a white witch

[Exiled_red]

By the way if we were to continue our current form to the end of the season we would finish with something like 46-48 points Which would typically see us finish 11th or 12th in the table.

[bertie]

That may be but I wont cost someone their job / reputation sorry

Merlboo has told you the bulk of the story that matters as he said you can join the dots

I posted this on YNWA a couple of weeks back but to summarise: I've been told that Carra is 'obsessed' with beating Callaghans appearance record. He also was **** scared he'd end up a a 3rd tier club if Rafa had stayed as he knew his legs are gone and no decent club would give him a look-in. I was also told that Rafa was more pissed off with Purslow for giving in than with Carra for **** stirring. Carra was only thinking of himself but the CEO should've been thinking about the club.

I'm no itk and this is the only story i've ever got a snippet of! My source? - a journo who recently interviewed Rafa. I choose to believe him.

Lec: Would this fit into what you have been told?