Pack your bags Roy

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rorysmith_tel Rory Smith
Last pre-holiday tweet: Comolli might have 'refused' to discuss Roy's future, but confirmation RH has final say on Jan deals is telling #LFC

henrywinter Henry Winter
Comolli confirms #lfc will spend on 'world-class player' in january if price right, adding NESV 'want to win - and you win with top players'
17 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

philmcnulty Phil McNulty
After Comolli's backing for Hodgson, this sounds like it will be more secure technical area at Anfield on Saturday. http://bbc.in/ayJyvW #fb

RushianLFC Rushian @
@philmcnulty it's the stands Hodgson needs to worry about ...

JimBoardman Jim Boardman
RT @RushianLFC: @philmcnulty it's the stands Hodgson needs to worry about ... << Won't just be Dalglish chants if it carries on as it is.

[marcus50bucks]

From tlw but originally posted on ynwa.

Kev


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Posted Today, 16:18 PM

Is it time for one last poll across all LFC related websites regarding Roy Hodgson. It has to be about Roy Hodgson and Roy Hodgson alone, no mention of previous manager(s).

All the LFC websites should work together on this, submit the poll at the same time and close it at the same time and then one site collate the results and publish the results on the sites and on the social network ones - facebook/twitter etc.

The questions should be simple and direct ?

1. Do you want Roy Hodgson to remain as Liverpool manager ? Yes/No.

2. Do you believe that if Hodgson stays as Liverpool manager we will lose our best players in the next two transfer windows ? Yes/No.

Time to get the Internet Terrorists back to work.

[spanky]

Why would a world class player sign for us in the January window when our other world class players are considering leaving. Its crazy leaving this guy in charge till the end of the season. We're a realistic 3 points to everyone we play.

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Andrew_Heaton Andy Heaton
According to @pbarclaytimes, Hodgson is still the right man for #LFC we haven't given him a chance, SG rates him, so why don’t we?

Andrew_Heaton Andy Heaton
We’re also a contrary lot who ALL wanted Rafa out the day we beat Real at the SB, he knows, he was there to see or score 4 or 5 that night?

paul_tomkins Paul Tomkins @
@Andrew_Heaton Gerrard might have rated Hodgson in the summer, but I don't see how he can enjoy drawing and losing so many games.


For when you talk too much for twitter

Jim Boardman
On Tuesday 16th November 2010, @JimBoardman said:

Just to ensure @pbarclaytimes doesn't get misunderstood or anything here's his answer to a question about #LFC manager Roy Hodgson:

"Hi Paddy, I have been watching LFC for over 30 years and believe me i knew from day one Hodgson was not the right man..LFC are a special club and need a manger with charisma and a strong personality as well as a good tactical brain? you have to accept that you got it wronh with Hodgson?"

Response from Patrick Barclay: "Liverpool must have got it wrong with Rafa as well, then.

"I remember going to Madrid for the Champions League game a couple of years ago and there was a pre-match rumour among the fans that Rafa was going. Not one of them - and I asked about 20 - wanted the rumour to be wrong.

"So Liverpool fans are not a united body who get everything right all the time and never change their minds.

"I guess journalists are much the same.

"PS: Liverpool won by four or five in Madrid.

"PPS: Who do you want instead of Roy? Kenny D?"

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Has anyone actually helped Roy pack his bags. Therein lies the big problem.

If he doesn't hurry up and pack his bags I am going to bundle him into a bag put a breeze block in it and drop him in the Mersey.

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If he doesn't hurry up and pack his bags I am going to bundle him into a bag put a breeze block in it and drop him in the Mersey.

shouldn't be to hard ....its not like he will attack you.

[vonk]

It seems clear to me that Carragher had a bee in his bonnet about Rafa and that has obviously spread to his family who would be privvy to his thoughts

They have made this clear at away matches and it appears Carragher has been in one way or another complicit in the removal of Rafa and appointment of Roy

He will have to stand up and face criticism over that because thats life, frankly I think he was badly wrong at the very least over the apponitment of Roy which is unforgiveable imo

I think his family being bluenoses in the past is irrelevant, even if they were reds they wouldnt have acted any differently. Its the familyline they are towing so to speak rather than any preconceived ideals

What evidence are you going on for this one? These so called ITKs on other forums have been proven to know **** all. I don't think for one minute people can assume that because Carraghers dad and mates didn't like Rafa that Jamie had him removed.

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Andrew_Heaton Andy Heaton
According to @pbarclaytimes, Hodgson is still the right man for #LFC we haven't given him a chance, SG rates him, so why don’t we?

Andrew_Heaton Andy Heaton
We’re also a contrary lot who ALL wanted Rafa out the day we beat Real at the SB, he knows, he was there to see or score 4 or 5 that night?

paul_tomkins Paul Tomkins @
@Andrew_Heaton Gerrard might have rated Hodgson in the summer, but I don't see how he can enjoy drawing and losing so many games.


For when you talk too much for twitter

Jim Boardman
On Tuesday 16th November 2010, @JimBoardman said:

Just to ensure @pbarclaytimes doesn't get misunderstood or anything here's his answer to a question about #LFC manager Roy Hodgson:

"Hi Paddy, I have been watching LFC for over 30 years and believe me i knew from day one Hodgson was not the right man..LFC are a special club and need a manger with charisma and a strong personality as well as a good tactical brain? you have to accept that you got it wronh with Hodgson?"

Response from Patrick Barclay: "Liverpool must have got it wrong with Rafa as well, then.

"I remember going to Madrid for the Champions League game a couple of years ago and there was a pre-match rumour among the fans that Rafa was going. Not one of them - and I asked about 20 - wanted the rumour to be wrong.

"So Liverpool fans are not a united body who get everything right all the time and never change their minds.

"I guess journalists are much the same.

"PS: Liverpool won by four or five in Madrid.

"PPS: Who do you want instead of Roy? Kenny D?"

I want some of what he's smoking.

[Baracus]

FSG are either defiant that they won't bow to fan pressure by getting rid of the manager
Or they are clueless and bowing to media pressure

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It looks like it's from http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football...rom_Henry.aspx

Right now I understand Henry's position. They cannot be seen to not support the manager ... officially at least. To say anything else would instantly undermine the manager, the team and would unleash the British press on ourselves like a pack of rabid wolves.

NESV do not want to unnecessarily back themselves into a corner that would see themselves having to sack Hodgson in haste and appoint someone else in equal haste. They are treading the proverbial water, buying themselves enough time to find and make the right appointment as manager. For us as supporters it's happening all too slowly, me included (I was livid after our loss at Stoke on Saturday), but my brain can also see the wisdom of patience.

Hodgson in the meantime is doing a grand job of undermining himself both on the pitch and off it. The media are starting to clue into this line of thinking. But NESV will only ditch Hodsgon for an interim appointment if the situation becomes truly desperate.

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football...rom_Henry.aspx

In actual fact its from Henrys Q&A session with RAWK members and the papers have taken that snippet out of it and ignored the rest.

The answers in full are here

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=266454.0

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From tlw but originally posted on ynwa.

Are any sites going ahead with this then?

[merlboo]

What evidence are you going on for this one? These so called ITKs on other forums have been proven to know **** all. I don't think for one minute people can assume that because Carraghers dad and mates didn't like Rafa that Jamie had him removed.

I've never claimed to be an ITK and I'd be slightly uncormfortable with such 'elitist' parlance

I'm saying what I'm seeing and you good people can believe it or not

The coming weeks will be very interesting with Roy's situation looking to me as becoming gradually irreversible

The senior players in the squads reactions to a ''dead man walking '' should be worth noting too

anyway, here's a piece from another forum

I'd edit the bad language but it'd take me all night and i've got to post answers in the SOS thread after me evening snack so due apologies in advance here




Sigh....

Some things you say are correct others, in fact most, aren't. Your problem is that your stance is full of ifs, shoulds ,and maybes. None of these were ever valid.

This isn't just aimed at your post btw...

A majority wanted him to go? Maybe, but a majority of people just voted Tory. It doesn't make that viewpoint the right one because the majority of people agreed with it.

Yes, Pellegrini should have been given the job but other than internet chat, there is nothing to show that he was wanting it. He wasn't interviewed because he didn't apply.

Fact is, that love or hate Rafa, in the Summer of 2010, the man should have stayed put. One bad season after 5 good ones shouldn't lead to a sacking at the best of times. In the case of LFC when the corporate governance was the worst in the entire history of the league, it was utter ****ing madness to sack the manager.

Anybody, and I mean anybody, who thought sacking Benitez in the summer would do anything other than knock the club back years, was being ignorant to state the club was in. If we were City, all well and good, but we weren't. We had owners with no money, banks threatening to put us in administration and a sale that could have gone either way.

There wasn't a manager worth his salt, who had anywhere near the quality required for this club, who would have touched us with a barge pole in the summer. We had no money to invest in players, we had to sell players to clear debt, and at that time might have been about to go into administration.

But the "majority" thought Benitez had gone as far as he could. Lets assume the majority were right then. Well the proof is in the pudding. He's gone, never to return, and as many on here said, we got a ****e replacement. Not hindsight, not being wise after the fact. It was said we would get **** and we got ****. We got it because the state the club was in.

If Benitez was left in place and we got rid of the owners, which we did, THEN was the time to take stock. Was last season a blip and we were back to the form of the season before, or were we sliding further? At that point new owners make the call and, without the ****e going on in the background, we either carry on or we appoint a new manager from a solid platform.

Instead we are where we are. ****e. Going backwards on a daily basis. We have a manager who cost us a Benayoun to appoint and will cost another player to ditch. And he is awful, worse than awful. In fact, the worst manager we've ever had in the history of the club. We are mid-table and far less attractive than we should be to many managers. We might just be able to save the day if they get rid now....might.

Negative ****e? Last season was Brazil 1970 compared to the ****e we are being served now. "Rafa put in performances like that" I'm often told. Not every ****ing week he didn't. "We beat Chelsea easily". Yep, so did Sunderland.

The problem you, and others who wanted "a change" in the summer have, is that you were 100% right in your opinion - so you thought. The majority agreed, so you must have been right. Some dissenting voices said you weren't, some said it would make things worse and some said we would get a **** manager to bring us right down. But we finished 7th and were negative, so you were right.

Even if you thought you were right than, you must be either ignorant or steadfastly arrogant to think you are right now. If you or any other "fan" thinks that we are better today than if we had left Benitez in place, justify it. Show all of us where we are better off now than we were last June on a football front. We managed against all the odds to get rid of H&G and are STILL in the ****e. The reason is, that the man in charge of footballing affairs at the club hasn't got a clue what he is doing. and worse still, absolutely no idea who is is meant to be doing it for. He is a miilion years out of sink with every Liverpool supporter that has ever walked the planet.

Now, you thought you were right, you thought it for good reasons. But you were wrong, sacking Benitez in the summer was wrong. Say its only with hindsight if it makes you feel better, but just accept the club ****ed up, the majority (apparently) of fans ****ed up, and now its needs putting right.

Put all the energy you are putting into defending Benitez's dismissal into ensuring the small window we have between now and the next transfer window sees the new regime does the right thing. If you don't, you'll never EVER see us winning either number 19 or number 6, in fact, you'll never see us even playing in the tournament for number 6 ever again.

European Champions, Champions League Finalists, FA Cup Winners, No.1 seed in Europe....... beating Real Madrid, Inter, Barcelona IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS....negative ****e though......GTF. I'd take a few ****e performances and what we had thanks all the same. The "majority" say I'm wrong though

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FAO Melboo

Good post, Hodgson really needs to go never have I seen a manager so out of his depth, and also he just does not get Liverpool Football Club and what it is to be a fan.

Looking for any glimmer of light did you hear anything more on the NESV meetings ?

YNWA , hope the nightmare that is Roy ends soon

[Arn]

Excellent read merlboo

We can now only dream to achieve the things Rafa did, only dream about it because it was just fantastic achievements and very very difficult to achieve again. I would say that it is almost impossible to achieve.

It only happened one time before during the history of the club that we had as big success in Europe, one time, the glory years between the end of the 70's and start of the 80's.

The club is well over 100 years old.

What we achieved with Rafa in Europe is what dreams are made of.

To sack him after his first bad season was just That is what we laughed about that clubs like Newcastle and Real do. The same fans that laughed at them then wanted us to be just like them and sack the manager after his first bad season.

I still laugh at the fans that wanted Rafa out.

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Excellent read merlboo

We can now only dream to achieve the things Rafa did, only dream about it because it was just fantastic achievements and very very difficult to achieve again. I would say that it is almost impossible to achieve.

It only happened one time before during the history of the club that we had as big success in Europe, one time, the glory years between the end of the 70's and start of the 80's.

The club is well over 100 years old.

What we achieved with Rafa in Europe is what dreams are made of. To sack him after his first bad season was just That is what we laughed about that clubs like Newcastle and Real do. The same fans that laughed at them then wanted us to be just like them and sack the manager after his first bad season.

I still laugh at the fans that wanted Rafa out.

What we acheived with Rafa in the league though is what nightmares are made of ..........oh hang on, I did think that and then Hodgson arrived!!!