Pack your bags Roy

[merlboo]

I've said it before and i'll say it again .... It wasn't ,or now is about ''Hindsight'' .... It was and is, about ''Nous'' ,The Nous of knowing the position we were in would only allow us to bring in a ''second rate'' manager which was always going to be compounded by the financial constraints at the time .

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hindsight?fromRef=true&__utma=1.156118278.1290003186.1290003186.1290003186.1&__utmb=1.2.10.1290003186&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1290003186.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=-&__utmk=93953437

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nous

If you can't see that now then maybe you'll never see it

[Lecter]

RBuxton_LFC Richard Buxton
According to Football FanCast, Hodgson recently told the press "it wasn’t like this at Fulham". News to me that one #LFC #FFC

[dww]

RBuxton_LFC Richard Buxton
According to Football FanCast, Hodgson recently told the press "it wasn’t like this at Fulham". News to me that one #LFC #FFC

Can't help but feel that taking that quote out of context is quite unfair (although I admit the rest of Roy's words may well actually make it worse than it seems).

[Redspin]

the whole rafa debate really sums it up for me:
a lot of our fans have been firmly living in the past for far too long. it's held us back when we refused to embrace the premier league era.
we're so focused on our past and that we've failed to move forward.
rafa's gone. the ones who appointed roy are gone, too.
new owners, new men in power, new vision - there's no point dwelling on the past. if's and but's shouldn't come into it.
what matters is the present and the future. roy's the present but he's clearly not the future.
cut henry some slack and let him do his research. this time we should get the right man in for all the right reasons.

Hodgson's the past mate - a ****ing dinosaur playing a kind of football that was last seen circa 1985. I'm not prepared to give the old fool a nano-second more time and am just hoping that Henry has him in the cross-hairs

[Redspin]

TLW

View Poll Results: Should Roy be replaced with immediate effect?
Yes 46 92.00%
No 4 8.00%
Voters: 50.

Those 4 who said no should be hunted down

[Reece]

Those 4 who said no should be hunted down

Christian, Paul, Jamie and Roy were their names.

[Craig_H]

IMO it's not half as arrogant as someone not admitting they were wrong but hey ho, maybe this time you're right.

I was certainly wrong in my belief that we'd get new owners in time, to enable us to attract a top manager. No doubts about that. I thought it would happen and it didnt, so i got that wrong.

I didnt mean for my previous comment to come across as harsh as it did though, i was in a bit of a hurry to complete the post, as i was running late for a meeting at the time of posting So i blurted out the quickest and easiest adjective, and in hindsight, it wasnt the best choice of word. 'Dismissive' over 'arrogant' would've been better.

[5europeancups]

I'd sack Roy and put Kenny in for the interim

My biggest argument against keeping Roy for any length of time is that his ideals and philosophies might become ingrained in the club

That would be disasterous for us

I doubt Roy could say philosphies never mind have any...

[Craig_H]

Do you honestly believe that Mourinho would take a job if someone else decided who they buy and sell?

For the record. Inter spent a lot of money.

Dunno if you've been living in cave, Arn But how do you think Madrid do things, and have done things for years and years?

As for Inter spending 'a lot of money' - if you take net spent (and we do with rafa, so why not with JM at Inter?) then they didnt spend a huge amount at all.

[5europeancups]

Those 4 who said no should be hunted down

In defence of the four, no manager should be sacked immediately if there is no contigency. No matter how bad Roy is we would be worse of without a manager and I guess this is what the 4 are suggesting.

[Craig_H]

It would be funny if it wasn't quite so depressing, I was told I was talking '****' by you when I gave my opinion, in April, that we should stick with Rafa because in the state we were in we wouldn't be able to attract anyone better to the club and that its better to stick with the devil you know in uncertain times.

I wish I could gloat over how things have gone but, unfortunately my very worst fears came true. The supporters of your ilk got your wish. Rafa was sacked. Then my fears were realised and we got Roy as a replacement.

Rafa got us to the lowest league position for the best part of 20 years, that was just after getting us to the equal best for the same length of time and with one if not the highest points tally. (7th doesn't seem that low this season does it - or is that Roy just lowering my expectations)

I was never a RCDNW member but he could have done a whole lot better than Roy who can't do anything right.

Sorry if I appear abrupt and angry its just that I am.

What is even funnier, is how you still dont seem to have understood my point, all these months later...

When i was saying i thought rafa should go, it was ON THE BASIS THAT I FELT WE'D HAVE NEW OWNERS WHO COULD THEN ATTRACT A TOP CLASS REPLACEMENT.

Is that so hard to understand?

If i thought Hicks & Gillett were going to stay until mid October 2010, i most certainly wouldnt have seen any value in getting rid of rafa because it was clear that we wouldnt get a top manager in, while those two parasites owned the club.

It's really straightforward.

As for 7th not seeming so bad now - just because Roy is taking us to the pits of ****eness, that doesnt suddenly make 7th place good enough.

It seems like people of 'your ilk' are keen to only look at one aspect of what i am saying - i've already said i would happily take rafa back tomorrow. The difference is, i neither think he's the best thing in the world ever, nor do i think he's as bad as was made out. I'm a bit more in the middle and a little bit more balanced in my viewpoint of rafa, it's neither black nor white. Unlike some SEEM to be.

[Arn]

Dunno if you've been living in cave, Arn But how do you think Madrid do things, and have done things for years and years?

As for Inter spending 'a lot of money' - if you take net spent (and we do with rafa, so why not with JM at Inter?) then they didnt spend a huge amount at all.

Mourinho demanded before he moved to Real that he would have the final word on transfers. Use google and you will find it.

Things change.

The net spend thing is screwed up because of the Ibra deal.

[Exiled_red]

In defence of the four, no manager should be sacked immediately if there is no contigency. No matter how bad Roy is we would be worse of without a manager and I guess this is what the 4 are suggesting.

Surely a contingency plan would be for Kenny Dalglish (or Sammy Lee) to step in as a caretaker, until a more long term candidate could be identified, be that a few weeks, a few months, or at the end of the season. It's not ideal but IMO we are unlikely to find a replacement mid-season.

[Craig_H]

I've said it before and i'll say it again .... It wasn't ,or now is about ''Hindsight'' .... It was and is, about ''Nous'' ,The Nous of knowing the position we were in would only allow us to bring in a ''second rate'' manager which was always going to be compounded by the financial constraints at the time .

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hindsight?fromRef=true&__utma=1.156118278.1290003186.1290003186.1290003186.1&__utmb=1.2.10.1290003186&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1290003186.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=-&__utmk=93953437

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nous

If you can't see that now then maybe you'll never see it

And even more "i'm so much better than you, i have 'nous', i was so clever, ner-ner-ner-ner-ner" bull****.

I'll say it again: Some of the people who were saying rafa should go, were doing it on the basis that we'd have new owners to attract a quality manager. I've said it already but you just dont get it

Maybe the view is slightly skewed up there, on that incredibly high horse...

[Craig_H]

Mourinho demanded before he moved to Real that he would have the final word on transfers. Use google and you will find it.

Things change.

The net spend thing is screwed up because of the Ibra deal.

Yes, i am sure that Florentino Perez, being the ego maniac that he is, happily agreed to stand to one side and let Mourinho run the transfer policy.

The net spend thing is screwed up because of the Ibra deal.

And hereby presenting the concept of 'net spent'

You cant pick and choose what counts and what doesnt