The King & Roy!

[el matador]

tompkins says that rafa banning dalglish from melwood is a lie.

[Galb]

Nicked of YNWA

sangria, on 31 October 2010 - 02:21 AM, said:

Hodgson's attempt to portray himself as close to Dalglish, and Benitez as distant and cold-shouldering Dalglish, is almost the opposite of existing accounts. Kenny has spoken well of his relationship with Benitez, including a recent newspaper column on the Inter-Spurs matches where he speaks warmly of Benitez's time at Anfield. Paul in a recent interview has said his dad has hardly set foot in Melwood in recent times.

Its more and more obvious that Roy is, contrary to his image, quite the media spinner. He knows the media will lap up anything bad about Rafa and he's deliberately feeding into that as a way of taking the pressure of himself. We all know how much 99% of other people in football have swallowed the "But Rafa left him a terrible squad" line.

He's an arrogant, selfish and mean man who has slagged off our players to protect himself.

Who has slagged off his predecessor non-stop in the most classless way possible.

Who has insulted the fans for questioning him.

Who tells everyone all about how he's the manager of the year (as if him winning a trophy is more important than the club).

Who's disrespecting a legend of the club by using his reputation (apparently not even truthfully) to support his own position.

Feck this 'Its not the Liverpool way' bollocks about calling for him to go at the game. Ive never seen a manager who was so out of touch with 'The Liverpool way'. Even Souness, who made some serious mistakes in charge (notably that interview), still kept some respect intact. Rafa clearly knew the squad he inherited was weak but he didnt slag off the players or Houllier - he got on with winning with what he had.

Roy's not only destroying the playing squad, destroying the confidence of many of our younger players who should be the future of the club, and trying to destroy what should be expected of a Liverpool team, but he's a betrayal of everything this club has stood for

I want to hear songs for the club today.

I want to hear songs for Rafa today.

And I want to hear chants of 'Hodgson out'.

This is no time for niceties. The threat to the club, the squad and everything we hold to be special about our club is too great.

[Leyton388]

tompkins says that rafa banning dalglish from melwood is a lie.

Well considering that Rafa brought kenny back to the club just makes Roy out to be talking **** as per usual.

[fred_plasticine]

Rafa was constantly attacked by the media though, for the same things they are excusing Roy for

that might be true

however, what i'm saying is that regardless of whose side you're on or who you think is on your side, the means that both rafa and roy use, i.e. hurdling dirt on others in the public are wrong and in eye eyes not acceptable for lfc.
granted, when i came to fighting g+h the end did maybe justify the means but do not think that it did help rafa or you who still want him to be our manager since it only paved the way for his own downfall. combined with his woeful results the only outcome was the sack.
the way roy conducts himself, combined with his dreadful results so far, he'll follow exactly down the same road.

[Vermilion]

that might be true

however, what i'm saying is that regardless of whose side you're on or who you think is on your side, the means that both rafa and roy use, i.e. hurdling dirt on others in the public are wrong and in eye eyes not acceptable for lfc.
granted, when i came to fighting g+h the end did maybe justify the means but do not think that it did help rafa or you who still want him to be our manager since it only paved the way for his own downfall. combined with his woeful results the only outcome was the sack.
the way roy conducts himself, combined with his dreadful results so far, he'll follow exactly down the same road.

Not imo, if Fergie, Allardyce or any other manager needs telling then i'm all for lfc's manger doing it...so long as it's not done in an 'old man rambling' type way.

[DannyMan2006]

Tbh I just Want to hear chants of Hodgson out. Clear and simple message. No point calling for Rafa as he is not available and the owners may think it's him or no one we want. Same goes for the Dalglish chants. Whilst Kenny is available, if tbd owners don't fancy him then again they may get the wrong impression.

Rafa ain't coming back. Let's sack Roy and get Kenny in caretaker role. If he does well he keeps it, if not let's get a fresh man in who won't be out of his depth at a massive club.

[Reece]

If those at the game could please sing Manuel Pellegrini's name, that would be marvellous. Many thanks.

[Qantaga]

Such a shame that Roy has turned out to be in waters too deep, and with the comments coming from him lately he really doesn't seem to be the kind of manager we want at all. It is a shame that when things are slowly looking up, and that we can only now improve, with him in charge I fear it's going to hold the club back.

[Arn]

**** off Roy. A lot of Liverpool fans hate you and you clearly want us to hate you.

You are only after the money now, that one is almost a 100% fact.

[wavydavy]

The old fart's endless rambling IMO shows a man who's desperate and **** scared of the inevitable. He really is a total ****ing joke. There is no way he's got the job beyond this season.

[wiw]

He's at it again....

Hodgson: King Kenny and I can take club forward

Liverpool manager hails work of Dalglish and says political football is over

By Graham Chase
Sunday, 31 October 2010

'I will not pass up on quality people because of a fear the club may want Kenny as manager,' says Roy Hodgson

So far it has been a story that might even test the brain of Milan Kundera, the Czech writer who Roy Hodgson espouses, but the Liverpool manager maintains that the club's fortunes are about to turn and the days of political struggling at Anfield are over.

They may have new owners but Liverpool remain in the relegation zone going in to today's game at Bolton and there is still much to be done for Hodgson, who has guided his team to only two wins in nine Premier League games so far.

Few managers in Hodgson's position would feel comfortable with Kenny Dalglish at the club (think Alan Shearer multiplied by Kevin Keegan in Newcastle terms), particularly as the Scot made it clear he was interested in the manager's job in the summer. But far from being threatened by Dalglish's presence, Hodgson even went to Wigan's 1-1 draw against Bolton with the Scot last week – Dalglish drove – and thinks the former player-manager is vital to taking the club forward.

Hodgson feels Dalglish, whose current role involves working with the academy and some scouting after returning to the club as an ambassador under Rafael Benitez last year, should be working at a level that is unaffected by the identity of the manager for as long as he wants.

"I'm not prepared to pass up on quality people who can help because of a fear the day may come when the club decides they want Kenny as manager," said Hodgson. "That wasn't the case in the summer, but that's not to say it won't be the case forever. I don't know. I have no fears in that respect because I know my qualities and I'm not a political person. He is doing a great job alongside us and we involve him in our scouting while he still works at the academy and plays an ambassadorial role. That's what he's good at.

"You cannot find a better person for that than Kenny. I told him I was disappointed he went for the manager's job because for me he should be working for Liverpool on a permanent basis, long after I leave for years to come assisting all future Liverpool managers. When it was mooted the club wanted me for the job I made it clear to Kenny I wantedhim on board and it wouldn't be like it was with Benitez where you are here in name but never allowed to set foot into Melwood and we don't want anything to do with you."

Attempting to keep Liverpool in their place today is the Bolton strikerKevin Davies, who was taken to Blackburn by Hodgson for £7.5 million in the summer of 1998, a spell that marked a low in both of their careers. Hodgson was sacked that November while Davies scored just once as Blackburn were relegated, before being sent back to Southampton. He struggled for regular starts at The Dell and even had a stint in the Championship with Millwall before joining Sam Allardyce's Bolton on a free transfer.

Davies, 33, who is now an England international, feels the spell at Ewood Park was pivotal in his career and Hodgson claims he would handle the situation differently.

"We were both very, very unlucky and circumstances contrived against us both. He wasn't a bad fellow but he couldn't get off to a decent start, we weren't doing well and I probably wasn't in a position mentally to give him the help he needed. I just expected him to just do it for me and I don't think I did enough for him," said Hodgson, who admits signing a striker is a major priority in January.

"For a while his career went in the wrong direction and it's great credit to himself and Sam Allardyce, who gave him his chance at Bolton. I met Kevin years later and he told me 'I needed a jolt'. He got the jolt, Sam gave him a chance and he decided he needed to get it right. He's gone from getting it right to excellent and I was delighted the other day when he got his England cap."

Although he would rather forget his time at Blackburn, Davies remembers his former manager fondly.

"He was brilliant, he is a top bloke and everyone knows that about him and his coaching was very hands on and he wants to be on the field coaching and he was passionate about that," Davies said.

"I try to forget about [the Blackburn experience] really. It wasn't the best part of my career but it's not something I dwell on or look back on. Roy has a wealth of experience and I'm sure he will use that experience to claw them out of it. They only need a couple of wins and they are back in the top eight or six so it is not a total disaster for them yet."




http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...d-2121296.html

He could've fooled me, that whole article sounds like politics ffs

[el matador]

in defence of roy the bit about kenny being at anfield as a fundamental part of the administration of the club is correct. kenny should outlast any management era and has to be at the club for the long term future.

the bit about rafa sidelining him i hope is correct for his sake despite having already been refuted by tompkins.

if im honest i can see rafa doing it because he is a bit of a bully but i hope for rafas sake its not true. he still has a lot of support with the fans but if this turns out to be true then he's lost mine.

no-one has the right to shaft kenny.

[Ben_Itez]

Thing is, I think the rumours that Kenny is having more of an input might be true. There might be something in the way Roy tries to cover this with semantics. He's clearly quite bitter.

I think he's only manager by title and Kenny's pulling the strings now. If we come out and press Bolton this evening, that would confirm it IMO.

Trying to make it sound like he's the one bringing Kenny closer to the team when in fact it's the opposite. Clearly threatened by him.

I just wish he would shut the **** up talking. You could imagine if a reporter asked him about his tactics for the next match he'd give them a full break down of what he was planning. Why does he feel the need to continually spout in the media??

He's also a walking contradiction. Too many players or not enough for 4-4-2 practice games??

arrrrrrggggghhhhhh i CANNOT stand the man

If those at the game could please sing Manuel Pellegrini's name, that would be marvellous. Many thanks.

[Mostar]

I think it boils down to self belief. Rafa didn't feel he had to justify anythng to anyone as he has won big trophies, is a big manager and coveted by the best teams in the world during his managerial tenure. He has **** all to prove. He knew what he was doing was the right way or 100% believed it be right.

Roy on the other hand lacks self belief, he has to justify himself as he is punching way above his weight. Its everyone else's fault not his.....Sick of jim dragging this club down to his level

Excellent point