Tide turning against Carragher?

[Neil Young]

In that case well said!

Er, it's a pleasure.

[Fredo]

2. What's OAPNY?

'Old Age Pensioner Neil Young' I suppose.

[Lecter]

yeah i'm sure your well in the know mate.

That seems to be the basis of your posts on here, you think you more more than you do.

I certainly know more than you mate

Said it before will say again "have forgotton more about football than you will ever learn"

[CJ]

in terms of legends lets see in 15 -20 years time who is considered to be and who isnt considered to be legends.

though i do wonder if some real legends will get lost as the interenet age is much more here and now and we tend to fall for the sky hype that is all encompassing.

[Lecter]

in terms of legends lets see in 15 -20 years time who is considered to be and who isnt considered to be legends.

though i do wonder if some real legends will get lost as the interenet age is much more here and now and we tend to fall for the sky hype that is all encompassing.

Legends have already been lost just look at some of the names who make it in all time XI's and some of the names that are missed off shocking

[danperkins]

He's only a legend if you started watching football 10 years ago. In an assembly of Liverpool greats I'd let him hand out the half-time oranges. Hand on heart I can recall countless players light years ahead of him in every respect - true Liverpool legends.

Unfortunately he seems to have developed a ridiculous sense of his own importance just at the time his abilities have gone into sharp decline.

He's been average for a good three seasons now, is prone to making howlers more than any other of our defenders and always looks like a rash tackle and penalty-kick waiting to happen - and let's not even consider his abilities with the ball at his feet and his distribution (!)

His annoying habit of giving bollockings to team-mates is all the more annoying given his own frailties, which he seems to be blissfully unaware of.

I've seen people mention his work-rate and do-or-die attitude. Frankly, for £90K a week that's the absolute minimum requirement.

In a race between a cross-channel ferry, a combine harvester and Jamie Carragher to turn round, Carragher would come third

Come in number 23. You're time's up

about keeping thread sensible dww.

Red: Fair enough Carra has been bad this season, last season he did struggle, he is prone to shouting at others even when he makes mistakes, just in the nature of the man, but seriously Carra & Gerrard in particular have been nothing short of sensational for us for about a decade now. And all this for the most part surrounded by average players.

Each to their own opinion but Jamie Carragher has given everything to LFC, the guy has laid it on the line time after time after time. Truly loves the club and everything that is LFC. Wears his heart on his sleeve.

Jamie was never the most gifted of footballers and over the years has frustrated me with his hoof the ball effort but he is a defenders defender full stop, no frills, nothing fancy. 110% effort every game, fantastic leader and organizer, seen the guy make some of the most fantastic tackles i've ever seen.

Sure he might need to be replaced and used more sparingly, but i think the guy deserves more respect than what he has been given on this thread after what he has gave for the club "And The Fans", but each to their own

[CJ]

Legends have already been lost just look at some of the names who make it in all time XI's and some of the names that are missed off shocking

thats what made me think tbh honest.

on the flipside we are lucky to have enough players for a good all time XI

[bertie]

They are on the topic OAPNY, i just don't see the relevance is spouting out nonsense about a Liverpool F.C. Legend that may or may not be true. Stuff of rumours and gossip

Bit of respect for the man, its Liverpool F.C. not Rafa F.C.

It's not Carra FC either. Maybe when u grasp his point you'll find the logic behind the posts in this thead that seem to have irked you so.

[danperkins]

It's not Carra FC either. Maybe when u grasp his point you'll find the logic behind the posts in this thead that seem to have irked you so.

Eh No, and we sensibly move on

[CJ]

i am not sure they have been sensational. They have been good maybe very good maybe very very good but there is a line between the good and the great.

i remember watching the galacticos and zidane stood head and shoulders above the others. He was a great figo etc merely good.

we are now assualted with how current is the best ever etc from sky and the like. However its worth remembering that the very very best stand out and i am not sure gerrard or carra have.

thats not to take away what they have done or to say they were bad players very far from it but i dont beleive that they are all time greats of world football.

also footballers are selfish and the sooner us as fans realise this the easier it will be when they do something we dont like.

they think of themselves first and in their position i am not sure that it would be easier to do anything else.

though that selfishness does allow them to do things for charity etc so its not all bad.

[danperkins]

i am not sure they have been sensational. They have been good maybe very good maybe very very good but there is a line between the good and the great.

i remember watching the galacticos and zidane stood head and shoulders above the others. He was a great figo etc merely good.

we are now assualted with how current is the best ever etc from sky and the like. However its worth remembering that the very very best stand out and i am not sure gerrard or carra have.

thats not to take away what they have done or to say they were bad players very far from it but i dont beleive that they are all time greats of world football.

also footballers are selfish and the sooner us as fans realise this the easier it will be when they do something we dont like.

they think of themselves first and in their position i am not sure that it would be easier to do anything else.

though that selfishness does allow them to do things for charity etc so its not all bad.

Had to stop reading, no offense but with what both players especially Steven Gerrard has done and achieved at LFC that is just plain insulting. Each to their own of course but i think i shall leave this fabulous thread

[CJ]

thats what i really dont like. if you dont say that they are the two best ever then your insulting them.

your not. if i had said they were crap then i would but i said they are very very very good

i think we would all love to be insulted by someone saying that they are very very very good.

[Buzzo]

i am not sure they have been sensational. They have been good maybe very good maybe very very good but there is a line between the good and the great.

i remember watching the galacticos and zidane stood head and shoulders above the others. He was a great figo etc merely good.

we are now assualted with how current is the best ever etc from sky and the like. However its worth remembering that the very very best stand out and i am not sure gerrard or carra have.

thats not to take away what they have done or to say they were bad players very far from it but i dont beleive that they are all time greats of world football.

also footballers are selfish and the sooner us as fans realise this the easier it will be when they do something we dont like.

they think of themselves first and in their position i am not sure that it would be easier to do anything else.

though that selfishness does allow them to do things for charity etc so its not all bad.

Certainly only a few defenders fall into this category.

...and Carra is no Hansen (8 league titles, 3 European Cups, 2 FA Cups, 3 League Cups).

Also back in the Hansen Dalglish days players earned f**k all by modern standards. They played to earn a living and were not overnight millionaires, hence the reason most off them have to survive with jobs earning in the media etc.

Maybe I am just old.

[CJ]

Certainly only a few defenders fall into this category.

...and Carra is no Hansen (8 league titles, 3 European Cups, 2 FA Cups, 3 League Cups).

Also back in the Hansen Dalglish days players earned f**k all by modern standards. They played to earn a living and were not overnight millionaires, hence the reason most off them have to survive with jobs earning in the media etc.

Maybe I am just old.

if you look at some of the CHs is carra in the top 3? Hansen, Lawro, being possibly the best two. then thommo and smith off the top of my head.

carra has been imense for us but not sure he is a great as such.

[Buzzo]

if you look at some of the CHs is carra in the top 3? Hansen, Lawro, being possibly the best two. then thommo and smith off the top of my head.

carra has been imense for us but not sure he is a great as such.

Carra has been fantastic during a period of mediocrity really.