Pepe - The true Liverpool Spirit

[Drago]

Pepe

Arn, get over those rumours that Gerrard had something to do with Rafa's exit. He's the best player of the last decade and with him Rafa would have won **** all. FACT!

[Gibbo]

Pepe

However, say the unimaginable happened and we did get relegated would Pepe stay, im honestly undecided as to if he would. This is not me calling a fault in him by the way, he is future captain material without a doubt, was just a thought.

And as for the Gerrard argument IMO i think he is the most influential player Liverpool have ever had, and I don't think anyone in the world that knows something about football can doubt his amazing ability.

I also don't believe he had as much influence in Rafa leaving as some people make out, besides that "famous" face he pulled when Rafa substituted Torrres ive never seen any other real evidence to back this up, except rumours.

I would have also not blamed Gerrard if he left before the World Cup, and there is no doubt in my mind that the thought will have crossed his mind but how anyone can try and insinuate that the faults in him outweigh the benefits is beyond me, he might not be as good as he was now, but he is still a phenomenal talent that any manager would love to have in their team.

[Arn]

Pepe

However, say the unimaginable happened and we did get relegated would Pepe stay, im honestly undecided as to if he would. This is not me calling a fault in him by the way, he is future captain material without a doubt, was just a thought.

And as for the Gerrard argument IMO i think he is the most influential player Liverpool have ever had, and I don't think anyone in the world that knows something about football can doubt his amazing ability.

I also don't believe he had as much influence in Rafa leaving as some people make out, besides that "famous" face he pulled when Rafa substituted Torrres ive never seen any other real evidence to back this up, except rumours.

I would have also not blamed Gerrard if he left before the World Cup, and there is no doubt in my mind that the thought will have crossed his mind but how anyone can try and insinuate that the faults in him outweigh the benefits is beyond me, he might not be as good as he was now, but he is still a phenomenal talent that any manager would love to have in their team.

and that is the problem. He is to influential. Is he bigger than the club? I would say so and that is a big problem. What would the club be prepared to do if Gerrard demanded something? If he demanded that the manager should be sacked, would they do that? Probably. If he wanted a certain player sold, would they sell him? Probably.

Everyone know that I believe that he and Carra was the main reason to that Rafa got sacked. I don't think the club had the balls to stand up to him and challenge him so they let him get his wish through just in the same way as Carra used his influence to get a new deal.

The club was afraid what the reaction from the fans would be if Gerrard had put in a transfer request.

If the board had to decide between the manager and Gerrard then they would pick Gerrard 10 times out of 10 when it should be the manager 10 times out of 10.

Gerrard is simply bigger than the club. The reason to that is that he is an excellent player and a local lad. One player we supporters love and respect very much. It is very understandable that the board is afraid what would happen if they stood up against him, what the reaction would be.

Would the board sign up Rafa if Gerrard and Carragher said that it is ok? Probably and that is a **** situation when players decide which manager we will get. No doubt Gerrard will have a say about who our next manager will be.

Influence isn't always a good thing.

[Arn]

Pepe

Arn, get over those rumours that Gerrard had something to do with Rafa's exit. He's the best player of the last decade and with him Rafa would have won **** all. FACT!

It was Rafa that made him one of the best players in the world, that is a fact. Without Rafa, well, who knows, but I doubt that Gerrard would have been as excellent as he has been.

So without Rafa Gerrard would probably not been the Liverpool legend he is. He is the manager that found the right position for him to play him, that played him in a position to get the best out of him. The second striker position without to much defensive responsibility. An almost totally free position.

So without Rafa Gerrard would probably won **** all. He wouldn't won the CL or been to another final.

[Molby]

Arn - let me ask you this.......

Did you cheer when SG scored that goal against Oymipakos?

Did you shout when he scored the header against Milan in Turkey and whipped the crowd up with a rallying cry?

West Ham in the Cup final?

And many many many more??

Do you get excited when SG gets the ball bursting forward making defenders quake?

Why don't you just accept the genuis that he is, and rejoice in the fact he is our illustrious skipper??

To me, and countless others, he can walk on water. He's that good.

[RichC]

It was Rafa that made him one of the best players in the world, that is a fact. Without Rafa, well, who knows, but I doubt that Gerrard would have been as excellent as he has been.

So without Rafa Gerrard would probably not been the Liverpool legend he is. He is the manager that found the right position for him to play him, that played him in a position to get the best out of him. The second striker position without to much defensive responsibility. An almost totally free position.

So without Rafa Gerrard would probably won **** all. He wouldn't won the CL or been to another final.

Very true that without Rafa Gerrard wouldn't be the legend he is, on the flip side though without Gerrard we'd probably not have won the CL, won the FA cup and countless other matches - both statements are correct, no?

In terms of Rafa we all know you believe that Gerrad and Carra were the catalyst for his removal - if you take a step back and look at things - Rafa was a hard man to work for and certainly a hard one to work with, I'd suggest the main reason he went was we didn't finish in the top 4 after his guarantee of this and he worked for Hicks and Gillette who had the knives out for him due to his public attacks about them and the board.

[Arn]

Very true that without Rafa Gerrard wouldn't be the legend he is, on the flip side though without Gerrard we'd probably not have won the CL, won the FA cup and countless other matches - both statements are correct, no?

In terms of Rafa we all know you believe that Gerrad and Carra were the catalyst for his removal - if you take a step back and look at things - Rafa was a hard man to work for and certainly a hard one to work with, I'd suggest the main reason he went was we didn't finish in the top 4 after his guarantee of this and he worked for Hicks and Gillette who had the knives out for him due to his public attacks about them and the board.

I would say that he was sacked because we had owners and a board that didn't understand football and let certain players influence the decision. Sure the 7th place finish had a part in the decision but not that big part. Rafa also had to much power when it comes down to selling and signing players.

Purslow wanted to get rid of certain players and he couldn't get rid of them if Rafa had stayed. Would Carra got a new deal if Rafa had stayed? Probably not.

So if Carra wanted to stay then he must get rid of Rafa. Not a maybe, a must. The way he fixed his new contract proves my point. Would our new owners give Carra a new deal? Probably not.

[Neil Young]

Gerra??

Sorry, I misread the caption. B*ll*cks, it makes a poor joke even worse.

Levante starting line-up against Barcelona:
# Manuel Reina
# David Cerra
# Asier Del Horno
# Victoriano Nano
# Miquel Robuste
# Miguel Pallardo
# Xavi Torres
# Gomez Juanlu
# Ruiz Rafa Jorda
# Garcia Gorka Larrea
# Martorell Xisco Nadal

[Arn]

Arn - let me ask you this.......

Did you cheer when SG scored that goal against Oymipakos?

Did you shout when he scored the header against Milan in Turkey and whipped the crowd up with a rallying cry?

West Ham in the Cup final?

And many many many more??

Do you get excited when SG gets the ball bursting forward making defenders quake?

Why don't you just accept the genuis that he is, and rejoice in the fact he is our illustrious skipper??

To me, and countless others, he can walk on water. He's that good.

Of course I did. I never said that he isn't and was a fantastic player. It is his **** attitude that sometimes stinks. The attitude that he is more important than the team.

Without his team mates he would be nothing.

[Arn]

Sorry, I misread the caption. B*ll*cks, it makes a poor joke even worse.

# David Cerra

# Victoriano Nano

Almost two more.........

[RichC]

I would say that he was sacked because we had owners and a board that didn't understand football and let certain players influence the decision. Sure the 7th place finish had a part in the decision but not that big part. Rafa also had to much power when it comes down to selling and signing players.

Purslow wanted to get rid of certain players and he couldn't get rid of them if Rafa had stayed. Would Carra got a new deal if Rafa had stayed? Probably not.

So if Carra wanted to stay then he must get rid of Rafa. Not a maybe, a must. The way he fixed his new contract proves my point. Would our new owners give Carra a new deal? Probably not.

The first part you've just said it was pretty much down to the owners and the board which I agree with, he wasn't liked at all and the excuse to get rid of him was finishing outside of the top 4; their were other underlying reasons but that was the easy route to take for reasoning why they got rid.

I just don't buy into this conspiracy theory about Carra had to get rid of him to get a new contract, you're probably right he wouldn't have got a new contract but to say Carra plotted to get rid of him to get a new contact is way, way too far fetched for me.

[Craig_H]

and that is the problem. He is to influential. Is he bigger than the club? I would say so and that is a big problem. What would the club be prepared to do if Gerrard demanded something? If he demanded that the manager should be sacked, would they do that? Probably. If he wanted a certain player sold, would they sell him? Probably.

Everyone know that I believe that he and Carra was the main reason to that Rafa got sacked. I don't think the club had the balls to stand up to him and challenge him so they let him get his wish through just in the same way as Carra used his influence to get a new deal.

The club was afraid what the reaction from the fans would be if Gerrard had put in a transfer request.

If the board had to decide between the manager and Gerrard then they would pick Gerrard 10 times out of 10 when it should be the manager 10 times out of 10.

Gerrard is simply bigger than the club. The reason to that is that he is an excellent player and a local lad. One player we supporters love and respect very much. It is very understandable that the board is afraid what would happen if they stood up against him, what the reaction would be.

Would the board sign up Rafa if Gerrard and Carragher said that it is ok? Probably and that is a **** situation when players decide which manager we will get. No doubt Gerrard will have a say about who our next manager will be.

Influence isn't always a good thing.

Full of pointless speculation and silly 'what ifs'.

Gerrard HASNT demanded that a manager be sacked or a player be sold, so it's a silly thing to worry about. And you have no idea if the board would pick Gerrard over a manager. Pure idle and baseless (not to mention pointless) speculation.

You seem to insist on trying to create a problematic situation where there isnt one.

I would say that he was sacked because we had owners and a board that didn't understand football and let certain players influence the decision. Sure the 7th place finish had a part in the decision but not that big part. Rafa also had to much power when it comes down to selling and signing players.

Purslow wanted to get rid of certain players and he couldn't get rid of them if Rafa had stayed. Would Carra got a new deal if Rafa had stayed? Probably not.

So if Carra wanted to stay then he must get rid of Rafa. Not a maybe, a must. The way he fixed his new contract proves my point. Would our new owners give Carra a new deal? Probably not.

More empty speculation. You use words like 'not maybe, a must' and 'proves' when in reality, you have nothing to base this on. You can make emphatic arguments, but you're still providing nothing but mere speculation with nothing to back it up. The fact that your last point is backed up with a 'PROBABLY' not, sums it up. 'Probably'. Not 'definitely', not 'undoubtedly'. Not 'a must' or 'proof'.

'Probably'.....

[Fivex]

Sorry, I misread the caption. B*ll*cks, it makes a poor joke even worse.

I knew what had happened but just had to highlight it. Thought about some of these?

[GorbyPeacePrize]

I would say that he was sacked because we had owners and a board that didn't understand football and let certain players influence the decision. Sure the 7th place finish had a part in the decision but not that big part. Rafa also had to much power when it comes down to selling and signing players.

Purslow wanted to get rid of certain players and he couldn't get rid of them if Rafa had stayed. Would Carra got a new deal if Rafa had stayed? Probably not.

So if Carra wanted to stay then he must get rid of Rafa. Not a maybe, a must. The way he fixed his new contract proves my point. Would our new owners give Carra a new deal? Probably not.

There is no 'proabably' about it; Carragher would have been rightly binned at the end of this season, which is why his snide mate Purslow had to get the bumper contract sorted before the takeover was complete.

Reina should be Vice Captain now at the very least.

[Neil Young]

I knew what had happened but just had to highlight it. Thought about some of these?

But I don't wear a tie.