Rafa backs Kenny

[dom9]

I don't think it was Rafa's fault. It's unfair to judge him simply because we've got different owners now and the situation has completely changed. The one thing that distinguishes Kenny and Rafa though is that Kenny is less of a pragmatist, more of a romantic and this clearly connects well with everyone.

I'm not saying it was just his fault. Clearly there were others, but he clearly contributed.

How is kenny not a pragmatist? Since he has come in, he has been pragmatism personified. No demands, no complaints. Just getting on with the job with the tools he has.

[Neil Young]

GACCDNW

Arn, has Craig actually said that? I think it's a:

[Alex]

Does this thread not fly in the fact of the edict sent down from the very top of Est towers?

[Fredo]

I'm not saying it was just his fault. Clearly there were others, but he clearly contributed.

How is kenny not a pragmatist? Since he has come in, he has been pragmatism personified. No demands, no complaints. Just getting on with the job with the tools he has.

I wouldn't call this pragmatism at all. Kenny exactly knows what the fans want and he's been giving this to us since he's arrived. I wouldn't call this pragmatism.

[Craig_H]

I've never said this. Why would you want to polarise this discussion again?


Rafa was there during a really turbulent period for the club and everything started to get bad when Hicks and Gillett arrived. He was destined for greatness had it not been for them. We featured in 2 CL finals in his first 3 years.

Calm down treacle, i'm just yanking your chain

[Craig_H]

Arn, has Craig actually said that?

What does it even mean?

[CJ]

I'm not saying it was just his fault. Clearly there were others, but he clearly contributed.

How is kenny not a pragmatist? Since he has come in, he has been pragmatism personified. No demands, no complaints. Just getting on with the job with the tools he has.

i can see why owners may not go for Rafa. I dont think the situation was his fault obviously while here. However it is possible that owners think what will happen if we dont give him what he wants?

will it be dragged through the press etc?

no manager is given what they want,

whiskey nose may well win another title with crap owners and not publicly complaining about them.

[Neil Young]

I think Dalglish will do whatever he thinks is required for him to achieve what he wants to achieve. I'd have thought that's pragmatism.

[Neil Young]

What does it even mean?

GAC = Gerrard and Carragher

[Fredo]

i can see why owners may not go for Rafa. I dont think the situation was his fault obviously while here. However it is possible that owners think what will happen if we dont give him what he wants?

will it be dragged through the press etc?

no manager is given what they want,

whiskey nose may well win another title with crap owners and not publicly complaining about them.

What do we want, as fans?

[dom9]

I wouldn't call this pragmatism at all. Kenny exactly knows what the fans want and he's been giving this to us since he's arrived. I wouldn't call this pragmatism.

I would say he is this.

prag·ma·tism


–noun
1.
character or conduct that emphasizes practicality.
2.
a philosophical movement or system having various forms, but generally stressing practical consequences as constituting the essential criterion in determining meaning, truth, or value

[Craig_H]

GAC = Gerrard and Carragher

Oh, that old whopper

I've already told Arn recently, that's he's being a tool for trying to make out that i claim Gerrard or Carragher do no wrong, or make no mistakes - i even posted about 5 different quotes of mine, where i've pointed to Gerrard being in the wrong or making mistakes. He neglected to reply to that post, funnily enough.

Arn's still being a tool.

[CJ]

What do we want, as fans?

the owners wont do exactly what we want as fans though will they? if they do it can be a recipe for disaster.

i rate Rafa and totally understand his actions, i am just saying from an OWNERS perspective, why they may steer clear.

also there are other options that dont carry that risk, it may carry other risks though and its about how the owners look at that risk

[Fredo]

I would say he is this.

This doesn't say much as regards to Kenny though does it?

What I meant was, he epitomises what being a LFC manager is. His press conferences, man management and even the football we've been playing, has been spot on, like glimpses from our glorious past. That's romanticism for me and Kenny knew that if he got that right at the beginning, he'd get everyone pulling together.

Yes, that can equally be classed as pragmatism, but I'm not sure I like that word. Rafa was too often tagged as a pragmatist as well and it was never made as a compliment.

[Fredo]

the owners wont do exactly what we want as fans though will they? if they do it can be a recipe for disaster.

i rate Rafa and totally understand his actions, i am just saying from an OWNERS perspective, why they may steer clear.

also there are other options that dont carry that risk, it may carry other risks though and its about how the owners look at that risk

Well, I believe that Rafa's job description started to change when Gillett & Hicks arrived, that might have been the problem. Better leave it at that.