v Wigan Post Match

[Rudo]

Due to my dodgy stream i didn't get a proper look at Suarez(not in that way ), sp what's he like pace wise?

Has he got it in him to latch on to Carroll's knock downs etc and run through on goal?
- or is he more of a link man, threading the ball through, or even a bit of both?

[topscorer]

Plenty of effort, we just lacked the quality today. No proper striker, no Gerrard, No agger, no winger.

calm down lads, we played well, they got their goal via offside, suarez hit the post. the desire was there and if we play with this kind of hunger in our next games we'll win 90% of them.

what maybe was lacking was a natural goalscorer, and with carroll soon to be fit we'll have that aswell.

Suerez not a natural goal scorer, not a proper striker?

Plenty of positives though..

Unbeaten in 6 games and 13 points out of 15..

Suarez looks lively and will definitely get goals..

Looked cool, maybe one too many back heels for my liking though. Started to think he was doing it just because he likes to rather than because it was the right thing to do.

Plenty of positives though..

Kenny blames tired legs..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ol/9395884.stm

I don't think The King has said a word wrong at press conferences since he joined but I think that's a bit of a weak excuse to be honest.

If our squad cannot play 2 games a week how are we ever going to compete in Europe?

If he had said that the international friendly had screwed up our preparations for the game because most of the squad was missing all week and we couldn't prepare properly then fair enough.

If he had said that the last minute injury to Agger meant we had to change our game plan because we don't have another centre back that can walk the ball out of defense then I can understand that.

If he had said Gerrard being injured, Meireles being ill and losing Agger left us a bit short of 1st choice players I'd agree.

Tired legs? If that's true then we have real fitness problems with our squad.

It was a bad result today but sometimes that happens. Everyone is getting upset because we had such a bad first half to the season that we have no margin for error in the second half of the season if we are to have a hope and a prayer to reach 4th place.

But I've never thought 4th is realistic, I just want a top 6 finish and win us the Europa Cup please Kenny. Same result this time next year and everyone will just be laughing because we'll still be 10 points clear at the top of the league

look lucas is no alonso. his passing isnt anywhere near as good as xabis was and therein lies the problem.

lucas can only hit the obvious balls to players that have made the pass for him which means that the forward players have to work really hard to find space for the pass.

unlike alonso lucas cant create space or openings with a pass. It might sound stupid but instead of forcing oportunities he reacts to ones that have been created for him.

this isnt a criticism of lucas as that sort of passing ability is only posessed by a few and he has been one of our best players this season. Im still not sure that he's first XI material but as a squad player his attitude, application and work rate is first class.

in short, if people want the ball off lucas they are going to have to come and get it.

Well written.

I know you aren't doing this but it's unfair that so many people compare him to Alonso, he's not, never was and never will be but he's also a lot younger than Alonso was when he was here and will get a lot better and he's a good player that does something different to Alonso (lets face it not many players can do what Alonso does).

If we can find someone better then fine but I don't think their are too many players better than him and under 24/25?

[Rudo]

His delivery was ****ing woeful and just like your stream he blew hot and cold

As someone has mentioned N'Zogbia has a terrible reputation as a "big time charlie"

Look at what Kenny has said about signings both Carroll AND Suarez were Liverpool players both on the pitch and even when they checked their attitudes on and off the pitch it fit our criteria

Reputation...pfffttt, he's not been involved in anything too serious in the past.

Carroll and Suarez have been involved in some **** in the past themselves too, particularly Carroll and you're not condemning them.

N'Zogbia's a very good player, i'm just surprised alot of people on this forum don't rate him.

[topscorer]

Reputation...pfffttt, he's not been involved in anything too serious in the past.

Carroll and Suarez have been involved in some **** in the past themselves too, particularly Carroll and you're not condemning them.

N'Zogbia's a very good player, i'm just surprised alot of people on this forum don't rate him.

I think he's a good player, he's in my Fantasy League Team .

I wouldn't be upset if we bought him but I'm not convinced he's the quality we need to WIN the Premier League.

Whether he's better than what we've got is an interesting debate but I'm only interested in buying someone if we are sure they are good enough to win us the Premier League from here on forward.

I think Suerez & Carroll both fall into that category, not sure about N'Zobia.

[Craig_H]

Dire result today, half undoes all the effort from last weekend to win at Chelsea.

Seemed to just take our foot off the gas in the 2nd half. Meireles going off completely killed our threat from midfield - a midfield of Aurelio, Maxi, Lucas and a wayward Dirk, is never going to create too much. Just exposed our lack of depth, without Gerrard and once Meireles was off. Creativity was zilch. Jovanovic was abysmal and it was a shame Pacheco didnt get a run out.

Suarez was lively again, will be good to see what he and Carroll can do as a pair.

Sloppy goal to concede, not sure if it was offside or not as it's impossible to tell from behind the goal, but we should've cleared the ball into the box anyway.

Very worrying how little cutting edge we showed in the 2nd half.

Prospects of trying to sneak 4th place have surely gone now, it'd take at least 9 wins from our last 11 games, and that includes away at Arsenal and Sunderland, not to mention United, City and Spurs all to come to Anfield. Really tall order.

Needed to win today and we buckled. Major letdown.

[Craig_H]

N'zogbia wouldn't be anything more than a squad player either though, he lacks quality to be anything but if we want to really do anything.

I was never all that keen, but having seen first hand today just how **** we are in wide areas, i'd take N'Zogbia now. At least he has pace and some kind of trickery - something Dirk and Maxi just dont have and never will.

In fact, i think Kuyt's started to become a liability now. Always had poor touch, but he just doesnt hurt teams anymore. He used to balance things out with great workrate and goals - he doesnt score goals anymore and workrate isnt enough. In the final third, in terms of being a goal or creative threat, he's just impotent.

[Rudo]

I think he's a good player, he's in my Fantasy League Team .

I wouldn't be upset if we bought him but I'm not convinced he's the quality we need to WIN the Premier League.

Whether he's better than what we've got is an interesting debate but I'm only interested in buying someone if we are sure they are good enough to win us the Premier League from here on forward.

I think Suerez & Carroll both fall into that category, not sure about N'Zobia.

Sometimes you need to give players a chance though, and with N'Zogbia i think we should, bearing in mind he has plenty of Premiership experience and has a resale value. Hes a cracking player imo.

He's better than Kuyt and Maxi at being a winger that's for sure.

Agree about Carroll and Suarez, there's big potential in both.

[Craig_H]

N'zogbia has a career 1 in 6 scoring rate, Maxi has 1 in 4 and played at a high level.
Johnson has been our best fullback this season.

You know i like and rate Maxi. But i see it like this - in a side with Suarez, Gerrard, Meireles and maybe a Carroll, Maxi is fine, because there's four other players there who are likely to make something happen for us, in terms of being a goal threat. Whilst Maxi can score goals, when the team isnt doing the business, he doesnt really have that 'extra special' something in his locker to score or create a goal from nothing.

In the case of a direct player who is quick and strong, like N'Zogbia, i think those attributes are more likely to make something happen for you when you're struggling to find a way through.

I wouldnt say ditch Maxi. But N'Zogbia would give us an alternative option in that position, and when things arent working, it's good to have an alternative, something different to try.

It's obvious to me that the very best wingers in the world are few and far between, very costly and would probably not come to us. As a 'level below' type, perhaps N'Zogbia is worth taking a punt on, for a reasonable price.

Put it this way, if you can name a better alternative option who we could afford and attract, i'm all ears.

[Craig_H]

When you have Carroll, Suarez, Gerrard, Kuyt and Meireles in the side, you're not struggling for goals.
You might however struggle for creativity and players who can create chances for them...hence signing a player like N'Zogbia would make a great deal of sense.

He's not the best player about, and he can still get better but he's a player who would fit into the Liverpool squad very nicely imo and give us something we're badly lacking.

Never thought i'd say this, but there isnt a lot there i would disagree with.

Perhaps Ashley Young might be another option, better than N'Zogbia? Maybe. But either of them would add something that we dont really have (and something we pretty much need).

[Craig_H]

Stubborn behaviour to say the least, we've been critical of Meireles in the past(and rightly so) but now that's he's started performing, we've praised him.

A little bit of humility goes along way.

Not sure about that rudo.

The times you were criticising Meireles he:

a) wasnt anywhere near as bad as you made out
b) was being mis-used by a fool disguised as a football manager

Obviously you'll have to praise him now because he's been in excellent form. But i'd take off my hat to you if, rather than just praise him now, you admitted that you judged him too quickly and got it wrong.

[Kenneth]

We started in very lethargic fashion and Wigan looked more up for it for the first 15mins. I thought we'd continue the improvement and ease it home in the second half but Raul's injury really showed that the squad needs more development. Fabio and Jovanovic competing for the left spot, with a right back behind them.

Overall, the players out there today do not a top 4 team make. When we can cope with Gerrard or Agger or Meireles missing games we might be able to put a really consistent run together and aim for the top four again, but that's certainly not going to be until next season and depends on a spending spree in the summer.

[topscorer]

As I say, not against N'Zogbia and if the King buys him and says he's the 'Real Deal' then I'm all for it. What I don't want is another 'squad' player.

We've been through the Spice Boys, 2 five year plans and a feckin disaster trying to get our next league title and if anyone ever talks about a bloody 5 year plan again I'll go mental.

We've got about 2 bloody hundred 'kids with potential' so in that Department I want to see one in one out in the transfer market this summer.

For the first team I don't want us to spend a penny on someone unless they are the real deal first team first choice player that can help us win the title.

I'm not convinced N'Zogbia falls in this category but I do rate him. If Kenny believes in him I do too (no disrespect to Rudo and Craigs opinions which may or may not be better informed than mine!)

[Mostar]

I was never all that keen, but having seen first hand today just how **** we are in wide areas, i'd take N'Zogbia now. At least he has pace and some kind of trickery - something Dirk and Maxi just dont have and never will.

In fact, i think Kuyt's started to become a liability now. Always had poor touch, but he just doesnt hurt teams anymore. He used to balance things out with great workrate and goals - he doesnt score goals anymore and workrate isnt enough. In the final third, in terms of being a goal or creative threat, he's just impotent.

[Rudo]

Never thought i'd say this, but there isnt a lot there i would disagree with.

Perhaps Ashley Young might be another option, better than N'Zogbia? Maybe. But either of them would add something that we dont really have (and something we pretty much need).

true, it's not stating anything out of the ordinary, clear to see for everyone.

That's a tough one, i rate Ashley Young too. Bring the both of them in

[Arn]

Not a great game but we should have won it with a bit of luck.

Kuyt is a great ball winner but he also slow down a lot of our attacks. He should be an option off the bench if we want to close the game being a goal or two up. We need a better option than him on the right. I would sell him in the summer.

If we bring in a left back and Kelly is still first choice on the right then we should sell Johnson. We need a better attacking threat on the left.

Very disappointed that KK decided to play Jovanovic instead of Pacheco, very disappointed. Give our young players more chances instead. They actually deliver almost all the time.

If Jovanovic get a place on the bench in our next league game instead of Suso then I will also be disappointed.

Today was a perfect chance to give a player like Pacheco or Suso 30 minutes or so. Not a physical team and we lacked creativity the last third.