Molby: Agger could be out for the season

[Arn]

there is also an age difference to consider.

Some people seems to think that Gerrard is superman. He is getting older and played a playing style that is very demanding.

What was it that made Gerrard excellent and one of the best players in the world?

His energy, power and game intelligence. His energy and power is on the way down big time. Less powerful runs as a result.

Scholes for example had his defensive part of the game to fall back on when he got older. Gerrard don't. Look at the way Fergie used Scholes the last few years. Not as an attacking midfielder. He has used him in a lot more defensive position. He don't need to make as many powerful runs now.

If Scholes wouldn't been a very good defensive player then he would be finished now. He is a more complete player than Gerrard.

Look at the way Giggs have been used the last few years. As a central midfielder and not on the wings. He don't need to make as many powerful runs now. That is the reason to why he still can play for them. When his body couldn't cope playing on the wing then Fergie moved him into the middle.

Another reason to why Gerrard probably will be finished at the top in a year or two is that he carried a much worse team on his shoulders for so many years. He used a lot more energy doing that than players like Scholes and Giggs needed to do for United.

[CJ]

interesting that you will sell gerrard becuase you think the money is worth it against what we will get from him from now on as a player

yet you dont advocate selling a cb that doesnt play much.

surely the same argument applies

[Vermilion]

Have to keep him for now, just incase he gets over these regular injury problems as he gets a bit older, but he could turn out to be a King or a Woodgate, but it's a risk we have to take imo, he also has to understand any limitations he has going forward due to recurring injury is reflected in any contract award.

[Arn]

interesting that you will sell gerrard becuase you think the money is worth it against what we will get from him from now on as a player

yet you dont advocate selling a cb that doesnt play much.

surely the same argument applies

If we can get in a ball playing central defender that is as good as Agger then I would sell him. The problem is that it is very few of them out there.

It is much easier to find a very good attacking midfielder than a very good ball playing central defender.

[Rudo]

Some people seems to think that Gerrard is superman. He is getting older and played a playing style that is very demanding.

What was it that made Gerrard excellent and one of the best players in the world?

His energy, power and game intelligence. His energy and power is on the way down big time. Less powerful runs as a result.

Scholes for example had his defensive part of the game to fall back on when he got older. Gerrard don't. Look at the way Fergie used Scholes the last few years. Not as an attacking midfielder. He has used him in a lot more defensive position. He don't need to make as many powerful runs now.

If Scholes wouldn't been a very good defensive player then he would be finished now. He is a more complete player than Gerrard.

Look at the way Giggs have been used the last few years. As a central midfielder and not on the wings. He don't need to make as many powerful runs now. That is the reason to why he still can play for them. When his body couldn't cope playing on the wing then Fergie moved him into the middle.

Another reason to why Gerrard probably will be finished at the top in a year or two is that he carried a much worse team on his shoulders for so many years. He used a lot more energy doing that than players like Scholes and Giggs needed to do for United.

The power's going in Gerrard's legs, the sooner people realise and accept this the better for everyone.(not least themselves)

Bring in two top centre midfield players that can get up and down the pitch and use Gerrard sparingly next season. Bring him in for certain games where he'll be fresh and ready to play to his max.

[Red_Polo]

They use other muscles more than they should do. For example if you get an injury in your left leg then you compensate that with using the muscles in your right leg more.

Then you get injured after a while in your right leg instead.

That is why players shouldn't play straight away after an injury. They need to get the right balance back before they play. Rest the muscles you used more than you use to do.

Compensatory injuries are different. 'Injury prone' players pick up new completely unrelated injuries after their successful rehabilitation from old ones (i.e. when there is no longer anything to compensate for), and do so more often than other players despite similar if not more cautious management. Short of just accepting some people are made of glass, psychological factors appear to be blameworthy to an extent.

[CJ]

agger wont get over his injury problems

[Rudo]

agger wont get over his injury problems

[Red_Polo]

agger wont get over his injury problems

I agree. Sad.

[CJ]

i take no pleasure in saying that about our best cb and a player who is so intergral to our play.

thats the problem though

[Vermilion]

Giggs did, and was integral to a future utd regardless of his shaky injury prone start.

Sure there have been others too, i just don't see how anyone can say with absolute certainty that Agger 'wont' get over these problems, ever.

As i said above, just give him a contract that refelcts his problems so far, with bonuses if he meets certain number of games etc. that would be the way forward for me.

Can't take the chance of him sorting himself out elsewhere and becoming a defending giant for someone else, and i don't think we have to, not just yet.

[CJ]

Giggs did, and was integral to a future utd regardless of his shaky injury prone start.

Sure there have been others too, i just don't see how anyone can say with absolute certainty that Agger 'wont' get over these problems, ever.

As i said above, just give him a contract that refelcts his problems so far, with bonuses if he meets certain number of games etc. that would be the way forward for me.

Can't take the chance of him sorting himself out elsewhere and becoming a defending giant for someone else, and i don't think we have to, not just yet.

obviously i cant say with 100% certanty he wont get over his injury concerns but look atthe facts and the players that get over shaky starts have done so by aggers age. and the injuries are usually not the same type as aggers.

i am willing to bet money with everyone who says he will get over them. it really is staring us in the face its just that he is that important we want him to get over them. that is not the same as him becoming injured less though.

also its not his fault he is injured and he is a very talented footballer who when playing is very important for us. the problem is we cant have a stable base to build from with him in and out.

i can see the logic of not selling him yet and agree with that to an extent. My reason for saying sell him is what will happen to his value. if its going to get less and less maybe its in our interest to take the money and use it wisely with the fair play rules.

[Dirk07]

When it comes down to Gerrard I said that we should rest him more often, every third game or so. He clearly can't cope playing every game.

The main reason to why I want us to sell Gerrard is that we may get something like £20m for him and he isn't the same excellent player now as two years ago. We will be able to replace him with another player, for example Canales in the same position.

How many positions can Gerrard play in now and say that he is our best option in that position? One is probably the answer. A free attacking midfield position.

Can we get in a better player in that position? The answer is yes.

Gerrard isn't a must now. We would be able to replace him and make the team stronger.

If we can get in a ball playing central defender that is as good as Agger then I would sell him. The problem is that it is very few of them out there.

It is much easier to find a very good attacking midfielder than a very good ball playing central defender.

not a chance we will get 20m for gerrard these days

13m ish would be what I think we could get for him and is it worth us selling him for that?

last season would have been the last chance to have got big money for him

[Mostar]

obviously i cant say with 100% certanty he wont get over his injury concerns but look atthe facts and the players that get over shaky starts have done so by aggers age. and the injuries are usually not the same type as aggers.

i am willing to bet money with everyone who says he will get over them. it really is staring us in the face its just that he is that important we want him to get over them. that is not the same as him becoming injured less though.

also its not his fault he is injured and he is a very talented footballer who when playing is very important for us. the problem is we cant have a stable base to build from with him in and out.

i can see the logic of not selling him yet and agree with that to an extent. My reason for saying sell him is what will happen to his value. if its going to get less and less maybe its in our interest to take the money and use it wisely with the fair play rules.

Some very good points there

[Buzzo]

Performance review. Daniel Agger 12/12/84

Tactical strengths: Accomplished and skillful central defender.
Tactical weakness. Endoskeleton made out of twiglets.