An Epic Swindle by Brian Reade

[CJ]

There's a voice
Keeps on callin' me

Down the road
That's where I'll always be...

i keep thinking about having that as my ringtone

have the avengers though currently

[red g]

i keep thinking about having that as my ringtone

have the avengers though currently

so 2000's

[CJ]

so 2000's

1960s please

[Arn]

If G&H didn't care or needed at least some fans support in their battle against Rafa, why did they then hire two PR companies to make them look better and print lies in the media against Rafa?

They needed the fans to turn against Rafa. Look at what happened as soon as almost all fans realized how bad the situation was. They turned straight away big time against Gillett and Hicks and they had no chance after the e-mail bombing when Hicks tried to loan money.

If more fans had know the truth a year earlier then the e-mail bombing would have happened a year earlier and they would have been out a year earlier.

The fans was key to get Gillett and Hicks out. It all started with the blow you ****face mail. A lot of fans turned against them after that. Then they saw what was really going on. After that they had almost no chance.

If the fans hadn't turned against G&H then they would most probably got a new loan and still be our owners.

It is thanks to us fans that we still exist. We won the battle Rafa started.

[Craig_H]

If G&H didn't care or needed at least some fans support in their battle against Rafa, why did they then hire two PR companies to make them look better and print lies in the media against Rafa?

They needed the fans to turn against Rafa. Look at what happened as soon as almost all fans realized how bad the situation was. They turned straight away big time against Gillett and Hicks and they had no chance after the e-mail bombing when Hicks tried to loan money.

If more fans had know the truth a year earlier then the e-mail bombing would have happened a year earlier and they would have been out a year earlier.

The fans was key to get Gillett and Hicks out. It all started with the blow you ****face mail. A lot of fans turned against them after that. Then they saw what was really going on. After that they had almost no chance.

If the fans hadn't turned against G&H then they would most probably got a new loan and still be our owners.

It is thanks to us fans that we still exist. We won the battle Rafa started.

If they cared about how the fans felt, why did they **** on the fans time and time and time again? I cant figure that one out, can you shed any lights?

And i'm not sure that the 'email bombing' would've have worked a year earlier, because the only reason it worked this time, was that their finance agreement was due to expire.

I agree however, that they would probably have been able to refinance if the fans hadnt turned internet terrorist, en-masse

[barnes10]

ANY fan who 'wanted' Rafa gone must have thought 'hmmm, who will we replace him with?' so those fans who wanted him gone - of which there were many - did so because they thought that his replacement would be better. surely?

not many were openly clamouring for hodgson but those who were. well. how mightily ****ing wrong can you be?

pellegrini, mourinho, hiddink, dalglish, owen-****ing-coyle all have their merits. we have kenny. he's working out so lets be thankful as we're extremely lucky and he's brought something quite special back to our club.

On paper rafa beats all of those for me. he's perfect for liverpool - under supportive owners that is. I DREAD TO THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO OUR CLUB WITHOUT RAFA BENITEZ THROUGH 2007-2010. Of course we'll never know but he did some massive things. Not least calling out the owners for being the cunts they were and secondly, managing our squad astutely given **** all nett investment. bar the final season, every one under rafa was us punching above our weight. What a man. We as fans owe him a huge debt of gratitude for carrying the fight on our and our club's behalf whilst those around him failed.

Would I swap Kenny for Rafa? No. I love what Kenny has done and he's proved the doubters wrong (lets face it we ALL had doubts). But if Kenny were to leave tomorrow there's only one man I'd want to manage us and for those as pissed as me and need it spelling out, thats Rafa.

Thanks Rafa. Great job Kenny. Lets get this club back where we belong.

[RedReet]

If they cared about how the fans felt, why did they **** on the fans time and time and time again? I cant figure that one out, can you shed any lights?

And i'm not sure that the 'email bombing' would've have worked a year earlier, because the only reason it worked this time, was that their finance agreement was due to expire.

I agree however, that they would probably have been able to refinance if the fans hadnt turned internet terrorist, en-masse

Because they are cunts.

It's already been explained more eloquently in this thread, so I don't know what answer you are looking for.

[Lecter]

Why is Neil acting as though those who thought Rafa should go, were automatically wanting Hodgson to replace him?

Rather silly, that is.

The mistake was appointing the Bodge. And the mistake was made by the club, not the supporters.

No the mistake was by the supporters who believed the cretins that owned /ran the club wanted someone better

They wanted a yes man, who was cheap, who would steady the ship - enabling them to sell it

A manager as good/better than Benitez wouldnt toe the line (accept the situation at the club) to allow them to do that

[Lecter]

Any kind of massive decision like sacking the manager, ultimately comes from the owners, even if it was the CEO who actually did the deed. There's no way Purslow could have sacked Rafa via his own decision. I'm actually staggered that anyone would entertain such an idea

The owners had no power, Broughton and the rest of the board were running the club in accordance with the debtors wishes

[Lecter]

The arrogance belies someone who portrays an 'intelligent' and personable character on here. Unless you were in board meetings or communicated with Hicks or Gillett, you cant possibly know whether or not i'm right or wrong, and you cant possibly know whether fans' opinions of Benitez has any significant impact on their decision to sack him. You can express an opinion of course, but you're in no better position than i am, to 'know' anything for sure.

Well they wanted to sack him previously but backed off when the fans kicked off and he had overwhelming support amongst the fans

The fact that second time round the support for Rafa wasnt as large enabled them to do what they wanted

[Lecter]

F*cking hell, I'm being analysed remotely by old Craigy. It's uncanny, such insight, such wisdom...

OK, you're right, I think Mourinho was going to join us too. And yup, of course, I was completely deluded to believe we were going to get a **** manager in as Benitez's replacement. How can I have been so wrong?

I expect I'm also wrong to think it's strange that Hicks and Gillett launched a PR campaign against the manager. I expect they only did it because they weren't remotely concerned about what the fans might think if they sacked him.

[Lecter]

I don't think he's said that, though, has he? Might have missed it.

Before Rafa was sacked when the should we/shouldnt we sack him debate was raging craig suggested that Mourinho was a real possibility

I never believed we had a chance of that happening and always thought the biggest likelihood was us getting a manager inferior to Rafa but that said I thought we'd get someone better than Roy

[badpiggy]

I'm not sure what all this H&G hiring PR companies to sully Rafa's reputaion has to do with anything. FRom the discussions on here, reading and listening to good pundits and watching the games, loads of us disagreed with the brainless media stuff about zonal marking and rotation, thought Rafa was a top guy and thought he has the best interests of the club at heart. But we were playing **** in a manner that lead me to believe that Rafa wouldn't ever turn it around. And if Rafa was so unwell after leaving us, why shoud I believe that new onwers would have all of a sudden sorted out Rafa's health problems?

[Craig_H]

Because they are cunts.

It's already been explained more eloquently in this thread, so I don't know what answer you are looking for.

Surely then, as cunts, they didnt give a **** about whether the fans were happy or not then?

[Craig_H]

Before Rafa was sacked when the should we/shouldnt we sack him debate was raging craig suggested that Mourinho was a real possibility

I never believed we had a chance of that happening and always thought the biggest likelihood was us getting a manager inferior to Rafa but that said I thought we'd get someone better than Roy

Christ, for someone who's meant to be quite intelligent, you've dropped a right bollock here.

Time and time again, i said i thought Mourinho would come UNDER DIFFERENT OWNERS - because i felt we were about to be sold.

I can write it on a piece of paper and send it to you, if that'd make it easier to understand?