Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Nicey]

What the hell?

[Nicey]

I wish Kenny would just ****ing draw a ****ing big ****ing line under this ****e now please for the love of god, you are feeding these cunts lines, lets rise above all this, stick to the talking points, I know the press are just ****ing zombie like in looking for a qoute but dont give it to them because they are not on our side.

Ollie Holt is a cunt.

[Yozza]

I wish Kenny would just ****ing draw a ****ing big ****ing line under this ****e now please for the love of god, you are feeding these cunts lines, lets rise above all this, stick to the talking points, I know the press are just ****ing zombie like in looking for a qoute but dont give it to them because they are not on our side.

Ollie Holt is a cunt.

Lawton is another one......

James Lawton: Cool heads are needed – yet Dalglish still fuels the fires

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-cool-heads-are-needed--yet-dalglish-still-fuels-the-fires-6657735.html?

Calming words from King Kenny would be an acceptance that the matter was closed

It is a simple, healing phrase and, when the Beatles voiced it, much of a generation was touched. But if Kenny Dalglish wasn't listening then, he certainly isn't now. Let it be. They are not the hardest words, certainly not as tough to utter as sorry, but they are plainly beyond the manager of Liverpool.

Dalglish has always been an obdurate character but what he said of the return of Luis Suarez after his eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra brought a new edge of corrosion to his contribution to an affair which in a few days' time will give us fresh evidence of a football culture saddled with hate.

There was some hope – though admittedly it was not high – that Dalglish might draw some kind of line under the case when Suarez reappeared against Spurs on Monday, especially with his player and Evra coming face to face again at Old Trafford on Saturday.

Instead, the Liverpool manager declared: "It was fantastic for Suarez to be back – but he should never have been out in the first place."

So, it is not enough that he approved the wearing of Suarez T-shirts that scandalised so much of football outside the Liverpool enclave or expressed disbelief when asked if in any way he regretted that Evra was jeered and booed every time he touched the ball when he returned to Anfield.

Now Dalglish refuses to close the door on the issue. Indeed, he provokes a new sense of injustice, a new certainty that the dispute remains a raw, untreated sore on the face of football.

This would be a lot easier to accept if Dalglish and the ownership of Liverpool had shown the courage of their belief that Suarez was innocent and fought his conviction. They had that option but they compromised. They chose the role not of fighters for truth but victims of injustice. You cannot have it both ways, and especially not if you have the kind of resources that enable you to pay £35m for Andy Carroll.

Why didn't Suarez get his second day in court? Why weren't the finest legal brains thrown into the battle for restored justice? If it was a failure of nerve it certainly wasn't matched by any shortfall in public posturing.

The result is the certainty of new levels of open-ended hostility between the followers of the two most successful teams in the history of English football.

As the John Terry case brings abject confusion to the running of the England team, the Suarez business excites ever more fractious debate in the Twittersphere and the airwaves. Wayne Rooney's almost instant message that Suarez should have received a red card for the wild kick which landed on Scott Parker's midriff is not likely to improve the kick-off mood at Old Trafford, but then when you think about it, what was?

Most obviously, some calming words from King Kenny. They didn't have to represent surrender – only an acceptance that, by Liverpool's own decision, the matter was closed effectively when the club refrained from appealing the ban.

Closed for all but the acrid and apparently unending fall-out, this is. Dalglish, as we have seen so vividly since the moment of his re-appointment as a manager who won three titles for the club, has the Liverpool following in the palm of his hand. It was once said of his predecessor Bill Shankly that he could have ordered his people to storm the Mersey tunnel and take Birkenhead. This may or not be true of Dalglish's influence but there is no argument that few football men have ever come to enjoy so much sway among the supporters of their clubs.

It is certainly no mystery. Apart from being Liverpool's greatest player and a highly successful manager at the first time of asking, no one embraced the tragedy of Hillsborough more profoundly. It was something that he has carried with him through all the intervening years and one effect, we had to believe, was that it took him so far beyond the trivial fevers of a mere game.

He was required to deal with the unavoidable pain of a wider world and he responded with notable compassion and care.

This is what makes his bitter, narrow stance on Suarez so dismaying to many of his most ardent admirers. Suarez is playing again and with the expectation of all that instinctive brilliance and commitment which so quickly made him one of the most arresting sights in English football.

That should have been Dalglish's emphasis on the night of his return. He should have stifled the fire and not provoked it. He should have said it was time to move on, with or without a platitude or two about racism never being condoned in one of the great institutions of English football. Best of all, he would have said "let it be".

[Nicey]

Whilst I agree with Kenny, its conter productive to give them a quote like that, perhaps its all part of the pre united game banter master plan. I hope the club takes another look at there communication policies.

Personally I think Kenny is grade A nearly all of the time, I like the way he handles the media on issues such as the team or transfers ... he always sends a clear message the only people who are important are the fans and the entire team is important.

But unless he knows something we dont regarding some unseen Ace we have up our sleeves, please stick to its done, regardless of our beleive of innocence or guilt, hes been punished and we as a club, that includes everyone are drawing a line under it and wont be answering anymore questions on it, the matter is closed as far as we are concerned ... ynwa

[Reece]

I wish Kenny would just ****ing draw a ****ing big ****ing line under this ****e now please for the love of god, you are feeding these cunts lines, lets rise above all this, stick to the talking points, I know the press are just ****ing zombie like in looking for a qoute but dont give it to them because they are not on our side.

Ollie Holt is a cunt.

I Have to agree with you here, Nicey. I love Kenny, but (and I think Fierce also alluded to it in this thread or perhaps another one) I'm cringing somewhat at his interviews at the moment. His sarcastic retorts were funny to start with, but now it seems to be the case for EVERY question he is asked, whether a valid one or a stupid one, and he just seems intent on belittling the interviewer as much as possible.

I hate the (majority of the) press as much as the next man, but it's doing no one any favours, and will only breed further contempt (if that's the right word) and **** stirring from them.

Closing ranks is fine, sticking up for your own is fine, but surely there needs to be a point where you say enough is enough.

Probably not a popular opinion but hey ho.

[Pablo]

I Have to agree with you here, Nicey. I love Kenny, but (and I think Fierce also alluded to it in this thread or perhaps another one) I'm cringing somewhat at his interviews at the moment. His sarcastic retorts were funny to start with, but now it seems to be the case for EVERY question he is asked, whether a valid one or a stupid one, and he just seems intent on belittling the interviewer as much as possible.

I hate the (majority of the) press as much as the next man, but it's doing no one any favours, and will only breed further contempt (if that's the right word) and **** stirring from them.

Closing ranks is fine, sticking up for your own is fine, but surely there needs to be a point where you say enough is enough.

Probably not a popular opinion but hey ho.

You have a point. Sadly Rafa pissed off the media and it massively worked against him. Since the Suarez incident Kenny is in danger of doing the same. The last thing we need right now is the extra pressure that will bring.

[Reece]

But then I read Nicey's Ollie Holt thread and I get angry and then I think GO KENNY

[Phoenix07]

I Have to agree with you here, Nicey. I love Kenny, but (and I think Fierce also alluded to it in this thread or perhaps another one) I'm cringing somewhat at his interviews at the moment. His sarcastic retorts were funny to start with, but now it seems to be the case for EVERY question he is asked, whether a valid one or a stupid one, and he just seems intent on belittling the interviewer as much as possible.

I hate the (majority of the) press as much as the next man, but it's doing no one any favours, and will only breed further contempt (if that's the right word) and **** stirring from them.

Closing ranks is fine, sticking up for your own is fine, but surely there needs to be a point where you say enough is enough.

Probably not a popular opinion but hey ho.

I had my old man talking about what a smart ass Kenny is acting like in interviews. I've got no problem with it. Shows them up for what they are, which is lazy. When the Sky reporter asked Kenny about Enrique; "Where is he?" Kenny replied, "Somewhere along there," pointing in the direction of the changing rooms. Brilliant response. Yes, we all knew what the reporter meant (is he injured or dropped for tactical reasons), but reporters are lazy and unclear, manipulative and agenda-motivated. When you look at the question asked, it was lazy by the reporter.

I'd just have a complete shutdown of press conferences and pre/post match interviews other than the ones on LFC TV. That way, people can focus on the pitch. Sick of the way that the media are ganging up on us.

Then if we are getting attacked by the press, it should be because of our on-field displays.

[Darkon]

As the old saying goes: If you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers. Simply as!

I have no problem with the way he handles the press, and for the first time in ages I can actually be bothered watching pre-/post match interviews. There are plenty of boring people in football, and I'm happy our manager is not one of them.

The journalists can just ask proper questions if they want proper answers.

[Nicey]

You have a point. Sadly Rafa pissed off the media and it massively worked against him. Since the Suarez incident Kenny is in danger of doing the same. The last thing we need right now is the extra pressure that will bring.

Did he **** he was on a hiding to nothing the first day he arrived in Ingerland, he was a nice as pie to the media and they still crucified him any chance they got.

[Nicey]

But then I read Nicey's Ollie Holt thread and I get angry and then I think GO KENNY

Yeah **** them all !! the useless bunch of windbags the lot of them, self righteous vacuous pricks the lot of them ...leaches useless ****ing oxygen thief leeches

[Danish_Pastry]

Well - this one is just to clear - and shows why Dalglish has to continue to raise the issue with the media and the FA:

http://dispatchesfromafootballsofa.com/2012/02/08/in-defence-of-luis-suarez-by-rachael-singh/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=in-defence-of-luis-suarez-by-rachael-singh

[McDermotX]

"I knew what I did and there is a kind of football law that says 'what happens on the pitch, stays on the pitch and that's the end of the story'."

Expect media focus on this line all the same. I can hear them getting on their horses right now.

[fred_plasticine]

Expect media focus on this line all the same. I can hear them getting on their horses right now.

a careless and needless thing to say. a bit more sensitivity would do him the world of good... justifies even such things as racism as long as it happens on the pitch.

[Vermilion]

NAH, he's just saying he knows in his heart what he actually said an did, and as it wasn't intended as a racist insult it should have stayed on the field.

I don't think he really means he should be able to call any black player such words as N****R etc, so long as he does it on the field, he just means insults of the like used between him and Evra, (which were'nt intended as racist) should stay on the field, as most are tbf.

Anyway, lets wait for the true translation, bound to be something 'lost' along the way.