The problem wasnt about holding mids, it was that we simply backed off them and didnt press the ball.
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Originally posted by Craig_H View PostThe problem wasnt about holding mids, it was that we simply backed off them and didnt press the ball.
I think someone in front of the back 4 would have helped with our shape and would have helped us control the centre, which we never did.
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In 2010 with Rafa; We controlled the midfield with Lucas and Mascherano, but it was a big problem as it slowed everything down when it came to attacking the opposition. We had two very similar players doing exactly the same thing.Originally posted by Mattshark View PostWhy is it crazy to have 2 holding mids? We have had out best season with two holding mids. Part of our problem is that we lack control in the middle of the pitch and it is costing us, having another holding mid there would help this issue.
When people are suggesting another midfielder. It comes across as a Dig to Adam, rather then Gerrard or Lucas.
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The problem is both Gerrard and Adam have a tendancy to vacate their positions. Lucas and Adam in the middle with Gerrard in his favourite and most effective position, just in front of them.Originally posted by Craig_H View PostIf we NEED 2 holding mids at home to Norwich, we might as well pack up.Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon
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Originally posted by Craig_H View PostThe problem wasnt about holding mids, it was that we simply backed off them and didnt press the ball.
One strange thing I have noticed. Is that when we lose the ball our Wingers. Downing, Kuyt and even Saurez press high up the pitch.
The central midfielder don't. Not unless Lucas is there.
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I don't really believe that was our biggest problem that season.Originally posted by Baracus View PostIn 2010 with Rafa; We controlled the midfield with Lucas and Mascherano, but it was a big problem as it slowed everything down when it came to attacking the opposition. We had two very similar players doing exactly the same thing.
When people are suggesting another midfielder. It comes across as a Dig to Adam, rather then Gerrard or Lucas.
I don't think he is adept at it, and I was more thinking a holding mid as well as Gerrard and Adam.Originally posted by Craig_H View PostGerrard was playing in front of the back four. It didnt help.
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Yep, we concede that space very easily.Originally posted by Baracus View Post
One strange thing I have noticed. Is that when we lose the ball our Wingers. Downing, Kuyt and even Saurez press high up the pitch.
The central midfielder don't. Not unless Lucas is there.
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He may not be adept at it, but he played it. The answer therefore, is to have an adept holding mid, rather than thinking we need two.Originally posted by Mattshark View PostI don't really believe that was our biggest problem that season.
I don't think he is adept at it, and I was more thinking a holding mid as well as Gerrard and Adam.
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I would rather have 4231 than our current formation, and I think another mid in deep would help us get better control of games.Originally posted by Craig_H View PostHe may not be adept at it, but he played it. The answer therefore, is to have an adept holding mid, rather than thinking we need two.
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Originally posted by Craig_H View PostI'm fine generally with 4231 but there's no way we 'needed' 2 holding mids at home to norwich.
And re 4231 - what do you do with Carroll then?
I'm not personally a fan of Carroll, but I think he'd be useful off the bench.
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I don't think he will, I would love him too, but I don't think he is a very good player.Originally posted by Craig_H View PostHe aint gonna become what we want him to be by bench warming.
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