Liverpool Stoke post game waking up thread

[alunevans]

I've not read the rest but here's my take on today.

Kenny got it wrong. Then got it wrong all over again by not realising he got it wrong and so not changing it.

The formation was abysmal. Crouch is a slow and ageing forward. Skrtel looked after him excellently and the other 2 centre halves had nothing to do. I could have played in that 3 this afternoon and had a nice day out, just as Carra and Coates had.

Why did Crouch need 3 centre halves on him? Ludicrous.

Then the wing backs didn't really get forward. I felt sorry for our lads today because so many times they got the ball, looked for the forward pass, but there was no wide outlet, there was only Kuyt ahead of them, and everybody else was behind the ball.

So they had to check themselves and go backwards. No wonder we were slow.

It almost looked like rugby at times. Everyone waiting to receive a pass behind the ball.

On top of that, when we did get forward we almost never had more than 2 in the box, and usually less than that. Only at set pieces did we have red shirts in there.

Utterly abysmal. The only consolation is that negative and baffling way of playing (at home I'll remind you) bore no fruit. I hope never to see it again.

Why Kenny couldn't spot that we needed a bit of a wide outlet but didn't need 5 defenders is beyond me.

Fine, Stoke came and got everyone behind the ball. But then so did we! The end result is that we had one shot on target in the entire game, and even that was a feeble effort from distance by Henderson.

Utterly pitiful, and while I'm usually one to defend Kenny, he got it worryingly wrong today, and even more worrying was his failure to change it.

[Red_Polo]

I've got loads of complaints about today, our home form all season, Kenny's decisions - but this is true. Makes 'truefan' look a total cunt only coming on after a poor result and giving it the whole "I told you so" ****e. In fact he has actually said "I told you so". It's pathetic.

Absolutely

Especially when this is really not at all what he told us.

[vlahka]

I just want my team to shoot from distance again. When did they get so cowardly. If the oppositions entire team are parked in the penalty box, just shoot and hope. More chance of getting it in the top corner then working it into the box.

[truefan999]

I've got loads of complaints about today, our home form all season, Kenny's decisions - but this is true. Makes 'truefan' look a total cunt only coming on after a poor result and giving it the whole "I told you so" ****e. In fact he has actually said "I told you so". It's pathetic.

Awww it hurts to be wrong doesn't it Shaggy.

You defended KD as much as you could. You struggled and cried.

Now that you are being proven wrong you resort to childish, foul mouthed abuse. Well done.

If it helps my concerns re KD were one of the few times that I really hoped I was wrong. But I know I am not.

Already the performances and the crowd reaction have the same feel as they did towards the end of the reigns of Houlier and Benitez

[truefan999]

Absolutely

Especially when this is really not at all what he told us.

Errrmmm...yes it is.

[Mostar]

Hyypia's visit to Anfield yesterday

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/valioliiga/hyypia-sai-sankarin-vastaanoton-liverpoolissa/art-1288442168588.html

[Yozza]

We, for the most part spent badly and without ambition in the summer.

We need to bring in better players to match our ambitions.

Not sure if spending nearly £100m means a lack of ambition

We just spent badly, very badly as its turning out

[truefan999]

Of the £100m you have to remember that about £70m of that came from the sales of Torres, Babbel and Meireles.

So the nett spend of FSG is about what we earned.

But the vast majority of this has been squandered

[The_weatherman]

Errrmmm...yes it is.

No, you said this would be a disaster which it clearly isn't. Not good enough, but nowhere near a disaster.

[truefan999]

You need to re-read how I defined disaster...and it is turning into one

[Buzzo]

You need to re-read how I defined disaster...and it is turning into one

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1829261&postcount=1

You actually suggest keeping Roy on would have been a better option though :

"However, if the next few months of under achievement are to sully somebodys reputation let it be uncle Roy and not King kenny"

Everything is relative, your definition of disaster for one. Kenny came in and steadied the club, you do remember the end of Roys reaign? How bad we were? We are currently 13 points behind the leaders in the league and 5 off 4th place and well placed for our first final in 6 years, a final experience which could prove valuable for a lot of our new players. Kenny got it wrong yesterday, and we need to turn home draws into wins, but a disaster... No chance. Dalglish may not be our manager for the next 5 years, but when appointed he was exactly what was needed.

[sean_lfc]

I just woke up after having spent all day yesterday at work and after that with my best friend, had a lovely time, didnt check the internet and was hopeful of something stupid like a 6-1 win, get on here, havent even put my glasses on yet, ****iong 0-0. I mean come on, honestly, 8 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ****jing draws at home!? Wont even bother watching highlights or reading a mtch report...****in ell, somethings got to change

[Shaggy]

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...61&postcount=1

You actually suggest keeping Roy on would have been a better option though :

"However, if the next few months of under achievement are to sully somebodys reputation let it be uncle Roy and not King kenny"

Everything is relative, your definition of disaster for one. Kenny came in and steadied the club, you do remember the end of Roys reaign? How bad we were? We are currently 13 points behind the leaders in the league and 5 off 4th place and well placed for our first final in 6 years, a final experience which could prove valuable for a lot of our new players. Kenny got it wrong yesterday, and we need to turn home draws into wins, but a disaster... No chance. Dalglish may not be our manager for the next 5 years, but when appointed he was exactly what was needed.

It is patently not a disaster but it's not going great at the minute. The forum does not need 'truefans' crass hyperbole.

Answer one question, 'truefan', one question that you repeatedly avoid. Why do you only come in the LFC forum after a bad result? Why do you never appear after a good one?

[Shaggy]

As for "resorting to foul mouthed abuse" FLMAO!

Are you 12 years old? You've got to face it - your behaviour makes you look a cunt whether you like it or not. Appearances only after bad results is pathetic and you know it. You trot out the "resorting to foul mouthed abuse" every single time someone swears at you - you ****ing cry baby. Answer my question.

[Lecter]

I disagree.

His scoring record with LFC is very similar to what he has done with Nacional and Groningen where he had to do things on his own. There is a reason why he did so well with Ajax as he had the players around him that took some pressure of him and help him get the best out of him, which you cannot say atm.

I also think you have been very harsh on him as you keep focusing solely on his conversion rate,which we all know it is not the greatest, but there is so much more that he does for the team in terms of creating chances, creating space for other players, pressuring defence etc that stats may or may not support.

There is a reason why he is one, if not the best player in PL and that has to be taken in consideration when talking about Suarez.

At the same time, you seem to be very understanding when it comes to Carroll, who has shown absolutely nothing since he's been here.

He cost more and his wages are higher than Suarez and yet his contribution and his skill level is not even comparable but you are rarely giving him any criticism.

Sorry I dont buy that his conversion rate would improve with another player being signed

Same with Carroll and Kuyt as you could make the same excuse for them

I'm not excusing Carroll whatsoever I just think people should apply the same critique to Suarez that they do to Carroll and make the same excuses etc......