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    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
    The biggest letdown of today wasnt that we lost. It's the LIST of other things that just arent right.

    First off, team selection. You might say we've got injuries and there isnt much choice, but to field a central midfield 3 of Spearing, Henderson and Adam is criminal. There's no goal threat, no real guile, no tempo and no creativity. It's just three journeymen who dont happen to be old.

    Second thing - no passion. Disgracefully, the players just dont want it. Kenny's no master tactician, but i thought he was a motivator, yet there's no motivation there. There's no urgency, no fight, no tempo. They look like it's a chore to be out there, like they cant be ****ed. That's never going to be acceptable. If Kenny cant provide the one thing that i considered to be his main strength, then there is a problem.

    Number three - subs. You can say Bellamy wasnt playing well, but in our entire squad, we have 3 players you could call a proven & consistent goal threat. Captain fantastic was on the bench, Suarez was left to do it all on his own and Bellamy's the third. So Kenny takes him off and leaves us with just Suarez. I say just Suarez, because even when Gerrard came on, he played that infuriating deeper role where he cant inflluence things.

    Next up - positioning of players. Dirk Kuyt's main strength is his workrate and then, his ability to pop up with a goal. He does not have pace. He does not beat men. He is not creative. So what do you do with him? Put him upfront where his main strengths are most useful. Where do we not need him? Yep, on the wing. And left wing, more bizarrely. Especially when Downing comes on and gets put on the right while Dirk keeps toiling on the left, predictably cutting in onto his right foot EVERY time he looked to cross. Baffling.

    After that, we have another main problem. Can anyone tell me what our style of play is? What our method of football is? Because i cant for one minute work it out. We dont have one. Everything we do is random. There is no plan. No tactical process, no nothing. We dont attack with any purpose - it's just random, off the bat, spontaneous. And predictable. And ****. Low percentage football, no game intelligence, no clever movement and players who havent got a clue what each other are going to do. What do they actually DO on the training ground? Because the outcome is ****. We were never going to score today, it was so inept.

    Finally, Kenny's post match comments. No Kenny, we didnt lose because of luck. We lost because we are clueless. Yes their goal was a bit lucky, but they actually created something. They looked like they had some kind of plan. We didnt. It might be debatable if Kenny is the right man for us or not, but if he thinks that was acceptable today, then i dont think he's the right man. The first step to solving a problem is to recognise it - if you think there isnt one, then you wont solve it.

    If Kenny doesnt think today was a major problem, then he's not going to solve it. No idea where we go from here.
    Not that you probably feel you need me to tell you but great post Craig
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      Originally posted by red g View Post
      yes but if Kenny cant drum into them what it means to play for us. I question both kenny and the players he bought
      That's the problem with not being in the champions league, the only other real meaningful competition is the league, anything else is meaningless.
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        Originally posted by cream View Post
        That's the problem with not being in the champions league, the only other real meaningful competition is the league, anything else is meaningless.
        well apart from a winning mentality, and not putting the fans through it....this season I have only managed 2 games this season. Spurs at home, Sunderland away.....I would have expected to see maybe more than 2 shots at ****ing goal.
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        Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

        Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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          For what it's worth, i dont think what Kenny said after the game is what he really believes. I think he'll be sending a different message behind closed doors.

          He called the players out after the Bolton game but i think the situation now is one where he doesnt want make a habit of publicly slagging the players off.

          They deserve it after today, but Kenny doesnt have a transfer window now and it'd be a dangerous game to alienate the players like that when he has to rely on them for the rest of the season.

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            It's a really ****ty situation, say what we like about our latest signings, we certainly should not be this bad, our points tally for recent games is incredibly poor, even taking into account certain signings not being good enough for lfc in the future.

            As bad as we were today, there have been many games we should and could have won at a canter! soooo frustrating!
            Last edited by Vermilion; 10-03-12, 11:47 PM.

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              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
              For what it's worth, i dont think what Kenny said after the game is what he really believes. I think he'll be sending a different message behind closed doors.

              He called the players out after the Bolton game but i think the situation now is one where he doesnt want make a habit of publicly slagging the players off.

              They deserve it after today, but Kenny doesnt have a transfer window now and it'd be a dangerous game to alienate the players like that when he has to rely on them for the rest of the season.

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                Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                For what it's worth, i dont think what Kenny said after the game is what he really believes. I think he'll be sending a different message behind closed doors.

                He called the players out after the Bolton game but i think the situation now is one where he doesnt want make a habit of publicly slagging the players off.

                They deserve it after today, but Kenny doesnt have a transfer window now and it'd be a dangerous game to alienate the players like that when he has to rely on them for the rest of the season.
                I'd be fuming at one/two players and would quite happily get rid of one right now. But we can't at the moment and we need to make do.

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                    I think Gerrard plays deeper because Gerrard wants to play central midfield.

                    I wonder if the penny will ever drop with him that he was (perhaps still is) imperious in a more advanced role.
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                      Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                      The biggest letdown of today wasnt that we lost. It's the LIST of other things that just arent right.

                      First off, team selection. You might say we've got injuries and there isnt much choice, but to field a central midfield 3 of Spearing, Henderson and Adam is criminal. There's no goal threat, no real guile, no tempo and no creativity. It's just three journeymen who dont happen to be old.

                      Second thing - no passion. Disgracefully, the players just dont want it. Kenny's no master tactician, but i thought he was a motivator, yet there's no motivation there. There's no urgency, no fight, no tempo. They look like it's a chore to be out there, like they cant be ****ed. That's never going to be acceptable. If Kenny cant provide the one thing that i considered to be his main strength, then there is a problem.

                      Number three - subs. You can say Bellamy wasnt playing well, but in our entire squad, we have 3 players you could call a proven & consistent goal threat. Captain fantastic was on the bench, Suarez was left to do it all on his own and Bellamy's the third. So Kenny takes him off and leaves us with just Suarez. I say just Suarez, because even when Gerrard came on, he played that infuriating deeper role where he cant inflluence things.

                      Next up - positioning of players. Dirk Kuyt's main strength is his workrate and then, his ability to pop up with a goal. He does not have pace. He does not beat men. He is not creative. So what do you do with him? Put him upfront where his main strengths are most useful. Where do we not need him? Yep, on the wing. And left wing, more bizarrely. Especially when Downing comes on and gets put on the right while Dirk keeps toiling on the left, predictably cutting in onto his right foot EVERY time he looked to cross. Baffling.

                      After that, we have another main problem. Can anyone tell me what our style of play is? What our method of football is? Because i cant for one minute work it out. We dont have one. Everything we do is random. There is no plan. No tactical process, no nothing. We dont attack with any purpose - it's just random, off the bat, spontaneous. And predictable. And ****. Low percentage football, no game intelligence, no clever movement and players who havent got a clue what each other are going to do. What do they actually DO on the training ground? Because the outcome is ****. We were never going to score today, it was so inept.

                      Finally, Kenny's post match comments. No Kenny, we didnt lose because of luck. We lost because we are clueless. Yes their goal was a bit lucky, but they actually created something. They looked like they had some kind of plan. We didnt. It might be debatable if Kenny is the right man for us or not, but if he thinks that was acceptable today, then i dont think he's the right man. The first step to solving a problem is to recognise it - if you think there isnt one, then you wont solve it.

                      If Kenny doesnt think today was a major problem, then he's not going to solve it. No idea where we go from here.
                      Spot on
                      RIP IRWT post/rant, best ever

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                        Woeful performance from a crock of ****. Not one decent performance today from any player.

                        You cannot keep blaming it on luck, we have a bunch of players that aren't winners. They don't have what it takes to make that final step from journeymen to champions.

                        Back to the drawing board this summer. I still hope Kenny is given more time but he MUST reshuffle his backroom staff and get some more tactical support and he needs to think long and hard about who we sell and who we buy this summer.

                        It's a shame we cannot combine the tactical genius of Rafa and the motivational skills and persona of Kenny but I think they would both be too proud to be able to work together. You can only have one boss and they would both want to be the boss.

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                          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                          No idea where we go from here.
                          Erm, yes there is. AVB. He needs owners that believe in him and youngsters that will have him playing like Athletico Bilbao / Porto. With Carra / Gerrard given stern warnings against a Lampard / Terry uprising he'll have us in a great position - specially with the class of youngsters coming through.

                          As much as I want Dalglish to succeed he's been out of prolonged top level management for 22 years. Kenny needs to do what's best for the club, and as probably the biggest fan I think he will this summer, and move aside.
                          One tit for another.

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                            AVB would be a ****ing enormous risk. I dont think he is anywhere near ready enough and experienced enough for a job as big as LFC manager.

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                              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                              AVB would be a ****ing enormous risk. I dont think he is anywhere near ready enough and experienced enough for a job as big as LFC manager.
                              AVB wouldn't be in the reckoning after the Chelsea debacle. No doubt in my mind Dalglish should step down but he won't with a 3 year contract. He'll need to be sacked. Sentiment goes out the window. My loyalty is to what's best for the club. The 100M spent was a gargantuan dose of financial mismanagement and someone has to be made accountable.

                              The buck stops with the manager. No shape to the team, no clear philosophy, it's a wing and a prayer every week, No consistency. When you really analyze it, take your red spectacles off and think logically and clearly, you come to the realisation that FSG can't give this guy another warchest. Simply can't be trusted, I expect a change in the summer

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