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    #16
    The fact that Comolli has mentioned numerous times that stats drive his analysis of players suggests he is using sabermetrics to identify the players

    Liverpool director of football Damien Comolli has admitted he is keen on thoroughly investigating player stats ahead of possible transfers and hinted at interest in Saint Etienne midfielder Blaise Matuidi based on his impressive statistics in Ligue 1 this season.

    The 24-year-old midfielder now has two French caps to his name and strong tackling stats make him a hit with Comolli.

    "In France, all the figures prove that the player who wins the most possession at the feet of his opponents is Blaise Matuidi," Comolli told the News of the World.

    "That is an extraordinary strong point. When the team plays high, it means a goal chance."

    Matuidi has made over 120 appearances for St Etienne and Comolli’s statistical analysis takes into account the durability of a player as the former Tottenham director believes injury prone players are too much of a drain on club resources.

    He added: "We are going in the right direction of players who don't get injured. We are going to take more and more account of the health of a player in the future. It costs so much having players who don't play.”

    Comolli also insists his calculations allowed him to handle the January transfer window pressure with more clarity and the statistical approach seems to have paid dividends for the Reds in their acquisition of Uruguayan Luis Suarez

    The former Ajax man has contributed heavily to the Reds recent run of form and netted twice in his first nine appearances for the club.

    "When you find yourself handling three of the biggest transfers in English football history in the last days of the market, precise figures allow you not to do that blind," added Comolli.

    "You have to act quickly. For Luis, I asked scouts to make inquiries in Holland. I looked at his stats over the last three years - especially the number of matches played.

    "With Luis, we took account of the number of decisive passes, his performances against the big teams, against the little ones, in Europe, the difference between his goals scored at home and away.”

    The Reds have been linked with a glut of players ahead of the forthcoming summer where it is expected Kenny Dalglish will be given the opportunity to begin to rebuild at Anfield.
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      #17
      So, that is not sabremetric and that is not how we signed our players. Our signings where Kenny's choices.

      An understanding of stats will indicate that we are not looking at stats (at least not in a relevant manner) in our major summer signings.
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        #18
        Has it worked?
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          #19
          Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
          So, that is not sabremetric and that is not how we signed our players. Our signings where Kenny's choices.

          An understanding of stats will indicate that we are not looking at stats (at least not in a relevant manner) in our major summer signings.
          I cant be ****ing arsed arguing with you it always ends with the same bull****, I have recently avoided responding to your posts because I find the whole thing tedious as ****. Would suggest you do me the same courtesy in future

          IMO sabermetrics was used in the purchase of all of our signings

          Whether its worked or not is another matter
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            #20
            If you want Lec, I think the idea that sabremetrics was used shows a lack of understanding. Sabremetrics is far more than just looking at raw data.
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              #21
              Originally posted by Lecter View Post

              IMO sabermetrics was used in the purchase of all of our signings

              Whether its worked or not is another matter
              Exactly, we've used Sabermetrics to target players and draw up a shortlist of players who meet the necessary criteria. Kenny has then picked which players out of that list he wants most. We've signed players largely on this basis and it's failed on the whole. Simple as that really.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                If you want Lec, I think the idea that sabremetrics was used shows a lack of understanding. Sabremetrics is far more than just looking at raw data.
                I clearly show a lack of understanding about a lot of things then

                Anyway thats it, as I have said a couple of weeks ago and again today I cant be ****ing arsed its tedious as ****

                Far better if I avoid responding to your posts and you give me the same courtesy, otherwise I might say something I will regret
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                  So, that is not sabremetric and that is not how we signed our players. Our signings where Kenny's choices.

                  An understanding of stats will indicate that we are not looking at stats (at least not in a relevant manner) in our major summer signings.
                  I personally think Kenny signed them to. But you seem confident that you know he did. Any proof that they were his signings? Or is it a hunch?

                  Because you cant go around claiming something to be fact, especially if its hearsay.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
                    Exactly, we've used Sabermetrics to target players and draw up a shortlist of players who meet the necessary criteria. Kenny has then picked which players out of that list he wants most. We've signed players largely on this basis and it's failed on the whole. Simple as that really.
                    Sorry but that is not true, our targets don't match up with any sort of real statistical analysis, look beyond raw data and you will see that.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                      Sorry but that is not true, our targets don't match up with any sort of real statistical analysis, look beyond raw data and you will see that.
                      what statistical analysis are you looking at ?

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Alex View Post
                        I personally think Kenny signed them to. But you seem confident that you know he did. Any proof that they were his signings? Or is it a hunch?

                        Because you cant go around claiming something to be fact, especially if its hearsay.
                        It was in an article posted over the weekend, I am also pretty sure that the club has said that Kenny has the final word on transfers.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                          Sorry but that is not true, our targets don't match up with any sort of real statistical analysis, look beyond raw data and you will see that.
                          What nonsense is this you're spouting now shark boy?

                          They clearly do. All had barely missed a game in the previous few seasons (Downing, Suarez etc). Downing had a terrific assist record over the previous couple of seasons. Statistically speaking they were all excellent signings on paper. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                            It was in an article posted over the weekend, I am also pretty sure that the club has said that Kenny has the final word on transfers.
                            Yes, but my understanding is that Saber-metrics is used to identify players, then a list is presented to the Manager and he chooses a couple of names for Comolli to have a look at. Then the manager makes a decision from there.

                            Dont think anyone is suggesting that players are signed purely on this stats system alone. Id guess its used as a system for finding the types of players you want.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Alex View Post
                              Yes, but my understanding is that Saber-metrics is used to identify players, then a list is presented to the Manager and he chooses a couple of names for Comolli to have a look at. Then the manager makes a decision from there.

                              Dont think anyone is suggesting that players are signed purely on this stats system alone. Id guess its used as a system for finding the types of players you want.
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                                #30
                                picking players just on chances created is the most basic statisctical analysis.

                                a bit like saying lets sign player a rather than b as a scored 25 goals last season and b scored 24.

                                i would hope that if we have statisticians at the club they work at a much higher level than that. or to a greater depth. which ever way you want to look at it.

                                i suppose its possible they did do a much greater statistical analysis but this has been covered in the press by just saying chances created

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